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Re: My 1992 126 BIS restoration project
« Reply #120 on: October 05, 2014, 09:42:54 PM »
Well... the car lasted a trip back to my parents after the MOT the day before lol. It seems that my exhaust shook came loose, broke... I lost a fair amount of oil but couldn't exactly see where... and then the car would just not idle properly... It would tick over but was up and down up and down... so puzzled began to strip down the car again!



Whipped of the exhaust first and welded it back up (but a new one is on the cars... i'm wondering if the pipe diameter is just 1.25" and the flange is just a universal 2 hole 2.5" like this:



There is a place local that sells all kinds of angle mandrel bent stainless pipe for possibly fabricating an exhaust up. I took a few rough measurements using verniers from my existing flanges on the exhaust and seems the holes are 9mm and sit around 65.4mm apart, pipe inner diameter 27.9mm, pipe outer diameter 32.44mm.

I proceeded to strip down the carb and replace all diaphrams, needle valve, o rings etc and also found that the float was fractured in 2 places and holding fuel in... managed to fix it up and checked weight at 11 grams.

Anyway... today we put it all back on the car and now I could hear the engine it was still up and down a little at idle and we were pretty clueless as to what the issue was still...

So anyway, I decided to investigate the oil leak at the timing cover:



And it turns out that the terrible "Athena" front crank oil seal had worked loose (rubbish interference fitting, and the headgaskets and everything else i've seen from them has been really poor to be honest! Avoid at all cost!) and oil was p*ssing out as it was just loose really! Luckily I had some "Corteco" ones in my spares collection i've accumulated and this was a much better fit. Decided to fit it with loctite 648 bearing retaining compound to help secure it and make sure it doesn't spin and machine the timing cover!

Using the old rubbish seal to help drive it in (but a flat block of wood helped better to start!):

Seal pressed back in:

Fitting back to the car:


As the timing cover was off the oil ended up being drained from there... and I noticed a fair amount of overhaul swarf in the filter and in the oil... unsure on whether to worry about how much was there so will keep a close ear out and check the oil again in the future.



Also took apart the Zelmot dizzy once again but everything looked fine regarding the bob weights and everything really so still puzzled...

Anyway, fitted everything back together and then proceeded to see exactly how much fuel the pump was pushing through... managed to start filling up a milk bottle pretty quickly to be honest so definitely enough pressure there i'd of thought!

Another thing we did today was change the in-line fuel filter as it never fills up much and pretty sure it was installed backwards by previous owner... and very very dirty! Decided to take it out and managed to find a nice replacement at a local motor factors:



Still doesn't fill up much really but delivers constant rate of fuel to the carb thats definately cleaner and its less restrictive at the same time.

So anyway... at this point was at a cross roads and decided not to take the head off just yet, and put everything back together. Fired her up and managed to get it running somehow with playing with the carb mixture, idle screw and revving the engine a little... and it seemed to tick over fine once again (no hunting!). I drove the car up to the petrol station as it seems the float in the tank is stuck after parking on a curb and made me think I really needed some... got back in the car and it would not start no matter how much I tried... laboured turning.

Pushed it off the forecourt and had my dad rescue me with some jump leads, although it didn't seem to help much to begin with (with the diesel van idling and they're big jump leads!) connected to the battery... then proceeded to connect the negative clamp to the batteries ground on the body of the car rather than direct to the battery. Revved the van up and then turned the fiat over at the same time (which turned over absolutely no problem effortlessly at this point in time!). Alternator is putting out 13.7v and the battery should be good as its new :(... not sure if alternator should putting out more like 14.5v or so but will see if I can check it in the manual. With lights on drops to about 13.5v.

Drove it back home with him escorting me no problems and the car is definately running better than it has... it actually pulls of its own steam and is nippy finally. But wondering what the next steps are... perhaps cleaning up all earths possible? :). Hopefully it will start tomorrow... lol.
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Re: My 1992 126 BIS restoration project
« Reply #121 on: October 15, 2014, 12:46:50 AM »
Well... finally the car is back on the road after a weekend of waiting for parts!

Fingers crossed all is well, no oil leaks, no oil lights... just purring along now rather nicely :).

The oil level appeared to have risen possibly due to a leaking fuel pump diaphram... I bought a new pump from nathan at fiat 500 classic. I was also having issues with a leaking oil pressure sensor, this ended up also failing, not just by leaking but bt giving me a low oil pressure warning light at idle and then at higher speeds... I was considering perhaps the crank shells would need to be replaced. Just teething problems though after being off the road for an unknown 10+ years and being built from the ground up lol. Thankfully I don't have to strip the engine down once again!

Made its first trip to Mcdonalds today and had a pap from a very eastern european looking HGV driver again who was looking out of his window and waving like a mad man sat in traffic, must have brought a smile to his day lol. Definately seems to be the theme... 4/5 journeys i've had it.

Whilst sitting parked at Mcdonalds had a fair few looks, in particular a young girl looking puzzled and amused at the site of it... but there was 3 fairly big guys in the thing so it probably does look strange!

The journey home was pretty much, much of the same... rush hour traffic so people able to point and stare to take it in lol. All ages of guys in vans to  vectra's pointing and probably wondering what the hell it was... but seems to bring a smile to nearly everyone that sees it.

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Re: My 1992 126 BIS restoration project
« Reply #122 on: November 10, 2014, 05:33:22 PM »
Well now... I've experienced a good month of 126 BIS motoring and today made some awesome overtakes with some good planning in advance and sneaking around into unused lanes at roundabouts because I could fit where others couldn't! lol.

No hiccups along the way either!

First fill up cost me about £17, second about £14.03 and today I filled her up after taking note of the mileage i've done... (I feel theres much more left in the tank, but the fuel level indicator was showing as being just below the bottom after 120 miles the total amount came to £14.24... I did some calculations and I can say i've easily achieved 46.71mpg and I even tried to reach top speed once or twice... this MPG on an urban cycle to really... I can see no problems in hitting the 55+mpg mark or even into the 60's with some slipstreaming!

I love being able to have change out of £20... but out of £15... even better! :).
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Re: My 1992 126 BIS restoration project
« Reply #123 on: November 13, 2014, 07:22:10 PM »
Awesome! They really are such fun, especially the looks on faces as you breeze past them. Brilliant you got it sorted, looks like it was a right pain.

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Re: My 1992 126 BIS restoration project
« Reply #124 on: February 28, 2015, 09:56:31 PM »
Well... the car is still running fine after the cold winter which it braved by only sitting through it. It had been disabled after around 600 miles after the rebuild and running in period... the exhaust that was welded together precariously for the MOT decided it couldn't hack any more bodge repairs. I then set about hunting down a stainless exhaust for it but during this whole period (of not being able to drive the 126!) I ended up buying an exhaust from Ebay.de, wire brushed and painted it up in halfords high temperature paint only managed to get a little over a couple of coats out of two cans but certainly looks good now and will last :).











Owes me about £65-70 and a couple of hours which isn't too bad. So I can finally drive it around, certainly quieter than I last remember... you might see why... I had to limp home like this:



So whilst I was planning on making a stainless exhaust and designing flanges, I got thinking and ended up getting sidetracked with the idea of a turbo... CAD'ing up flanges, cylinder head gasket designs, decompression plate design. Been watching ebay for a suitable carb but nothing came up just yet at the right price... EFI might be another option. With each of these thoughts I seem to have been set back along the way, as it could of all been done by now theoritically :D. A welder I bought turned out to be no good so I had to buy another at a larger financial setback :D (long story short, long story is that I spent a few weeks trying to figure out what was wrong on the rats next of circuitry!).

Got a little click happy on auctions for turbos when considering it and ended up winning one from Japan which needs a real good clean inside, will rebuild it and replace journal bearing etc. not sure if the scale will come off the compressor blades on that one so it may need to be replaced/balanced also. Actuator bracket also arrived sheared from the wastegate arm. It looks like it would be the one for the fiat really as the collector is small enough to get the turbo spinning and would be giving full boost early in the rpm range... although top end would be limited to about 50-60bhp (conservative... maybe more!?). I ended up with another turbo from ebay.it for 200 euro which after more research which would be good for 20psi theoritcally, this an IHI RHF3 VL37 from a 1.4 t-jet, bought with plans for 80bhp of intercooled power.




This arrived without the v-band clamp to hold the two sides together and also the actuator bracket broken off, does noone understand how to remove a circlip!? :). This is a fair bit bigger than the RHF3 VQ38 spec I won from Japan. More "Pint sized" as opposed to the coke can sized VQ38 from Daihatsu... On this the exhaust housing collector is much bigger... i'm not sure the two 1.25" primaries from the cylinder head would get it spooling quite as quick as we'd like but maybe... Its a quite capable turbo for 600-1400cc engines.

Then I ended up buying an engine from ebay and having a friend on facebook collect it for me on his way back home, unfortunately it appears a small part of the block and the oil housing cover both took a beating with the grinder when removed from the poor 126 BIS it was taken from a few years ago by the looks of things. Came complete with a weber carb, though which will be worth rebuilding although missing something on the choke linkage at the bottom, an alternator, dizzy (more importantly a zelmot dizzy cap to steal for my blue 126 BIS!.). Oh and yes another exhaust which i'd ordered a few days prior from Germany, typical! I think the engine might be a little siezed as I couldn't move it by hand but maybe not :). Either way... its something I can play with for turboing/exhaust fitting! Worst case there's a crank, a camshaft that could be sent away for an NA hot cam reprofile and hardening, some pistons... a block to play with... possibilities are endless :).

Now I need a pipe bender that will produce half decent results with a few tooling dies so I can get cracking on with both exhaust and turbo manifold projects! Buying premade bends seems like an option but could end up quite expensive in the end and slow things down, as would building a pipe bender. There are some interesting pipe bender plans so perhaps I might be able to fabricate something now I have a working TIG welder :).

I have recently been considering perhaps using the turbo's on something a little more radical as the whole investment into the BIS engine will result in either entire devotion to keeping my 126 on the road and in my possession... I have the spare engine to work with so I could keep the original rebuilt engine to throw back in there to revert it back to its original self in the future. It seems the prices for 126's are at a fairly stable high at the moment and as they are getting rarer, I wonder how my own car would be valued on the market with the engine rebuild and bringing it back to life after god knows how many years. Loads and loads of receipts and photo evidence I guess so should be respectable :). Perhaps I should sell it and help fund another project :). Its a hard choice on what to do! If I parted ways with this one, its not always good bye... another project isn't so daunting :). The funds would certainly come in handy. But I do love it and gotta love the handling and whole driving experience. I love the way the steering feels when pottering down the road... such an easy ride.

For now I need to find somewhere I can clean up the spare engine and work on it, as at the moment its in the back of the 126! Sitting quite low, a good test for the springs! Thankfully one journey like that was all its having!
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Re: My 1992 126 BIS restoration project
« Reply #125 on: May 28, 2015, 07:55:25 PM »
Been a while since i've had weather and time on my side to have a play in tarting up the car a little more :). Although it really needs a good clean (bird crap the side of a human head on the roof which appeared the other day). Decided to paint up the bumpers a little... 2 cans later and pretty much there. The back and front certainly look much fresher :).






Also had to rescue the missus as she had a puncture, left the car at her old dears and picked her up in the little maluch... oh and I forgot to mention, whilst I was masking up that side of the car. A guy pulled up just in front of my car on his way out of the little cul de sac opposite. He stopped to get a picture and said that he owned 2 650cc's back in Poland, had not seen any over here and that he had not heard of the water cooled variant ever being sold in Poland so it was export only? :).  Either way, nice to meet you!
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Re: My 1992 126 BIS restoration project
« Reply #126 on: May 28, 2015, 09:50:18 PM »
Looks good mate, i like what you've done with the wheels to  :good:
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Re: My 1992 126 BIS restoration project
« Reply #127 on: May 28, 2015, 10:33:08 PM »
That's a great improvement. I want to paint my bumpers and sides after seeing this.  :good:

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Re: My 1992 126 BIS restoration project
« Reply #128 on: May 29, 2015, 06:15:50 AM »
Your cars looking awesome bud  :thumbup it's cleaned up really well....... Plus I love them wheels!! Keep up the great work  ;D

Oh almost forgot how's the turbo project going? :)
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Re: My 1992 126 BIS restoration project
« Reply #129 on: May 30, 2015, 06:12:42 PM »
Thanks guys, i've been meaning to get around to painting the bumpers for quite some time but the cans of bumper paint from halfords certainly don't go far!

RE: the turbo project... finances and trying to make some space for a "workshop" so I can get to, and more importantly use all of the fabrication gear I've been collecting have kind of slowed things down :). But this summer will hopefully see some progress! I still ponder the idea daily, and that engine is loud enough already in the back after a while :). I keep my eyes out for potential turbo carbs but haven't came across one for the right money just yet, and then there is still the idea of just going EFI with a throttle body if I can get the funds together to just get everything in one!
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Re: My 1992 126 BIS restoration project
« Reply #130 on: May 31, 2015, 08:18:55 AM »
Hope you get it done then :D work shop space is very important - there's no way I could've done half of what I did without a workshop  ;)

I don't know much about turbos but will the standard BIS weber work with a turbo?
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Re: My 1992 126 BIS restoration project
« Reply #131 on: June 22, 2015, 09:12:39 PM »
Apparently any can be made to work... how much work will be involved, i'm not quite sure of :). It wouldn't be too bad... just have to figure out the timing aspect if sticking with carbs!

Today I decided to give her a wash, polish and wax in preperation for visiting Stanford Hall on the 28th. Will be the longest run it will have had... i'm not sure what route i'm going to take just yet!

The car ended up striking up two conversations today with admirers, one before the polish and one during!
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Re: My 1992 126 BIS restoration project
« Reply #132 on: June 22, 2015, 09:35:14 PM »
The car ended up striking up two conversations today with admirers, one before the polish and one during!

Thats one thing i love about the fiat, no matter were we take it we have people flashing and waving and strangers coming over for a chat, first car we've owned that's ever managed that lol   :D
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Re: My 1992 126 BIS restoration project
« Reply #133 on: June 23, 2015, 08:05:09 AM »
I'll be at Stanford too :D so I'll have to get mine polished up as well :) where a outs are you coming from?
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Re: My 1992 126 BIS restoration project
« Reply #134 on: June 28, 2015, 11:58:35 PM »
The BIS got to meet luigi today. Gadge has done a great job! Its first longer run than 15 mile journeys and all at a decent motorway pace :). 60 miles each way.




The engine and box will probably come down shortly as I need to check the rear crank seal and also how the gearbox is doing with the 20/50 mineral oil in after a good running in period.

It was a good shakedown run and quite hair raising in high winds on the motorway at 70mph. There was another 126 that appeared. a "D" reg air cooled with rough plastic bumpers... burgundy-ish in color... probably one of the last UK air cooleds but not to my taste at all... have a guess how much they were advertising it at... £3995!? Steep indeed... i'd hope it was 1 owner from new and even then couldn't fathom it :).
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