electronic ignition

[Rusty's Uncle]

Oye ! don't throw the baby out with the bathwater just yet    As opposed to the more expensive 123 ignition system which does everything electonically these ultra/accu spark things (same item but different price) just replace the points & condensor, like a trigger and leave any advance up to the original set up, centrifugal in the case of the air cooled motors. Long time since I had a Bis so can't remember the set up but as the electronic ignition module just screws to the top plate I can see no reason why it would not work on the Bis but would be a little more of a custom job 

[126redbomb]

You know what, I'm glad I asked because thats whats been rattling my brain   I have asked the dealer if it fits the Bis and he said YES (but if he is getting £55 out of me he will say anything won't he).  I just need to know it anyone has fitted it to the Bis?   I'm repeating myself aren't I!  Yes the madness is setting in

[126redbomb]

Oh sorry rusty I didn't see your last post

[DEYAN IYI]

I've just took a pic of the Bis distributor. Of course no chance to fit. But if you love challenges, you can implant it. Only the axe needs to be machined after the aircooled one, cos it's big for the wheel (+2&3mm). There is a lot of room to drill and thread in the contact plate

If you ask the company only for the parts you need, could be a bit cheaper.

[Pete126]

Thanks Deyan for the photos, I have just Emailed Accuspark to confirm it won't fit and if there is an alternative.

[smallcox]

I had the same problem as the bis,

Although mine is air cooled the distributor is a delco distributor from the Triumph car but house the original 126 wieghts and shaft. They would not sell me the module for one and trigger ring for the other.

I purchased a 126 kit and it was only the matter off drilling hole in the module plate where the pionts and the condensor are bolt to- hey 1 hour tops to do this.

[126redbomb]

God I'm more confused.com than I was before, but if you get a chance smallcox can you take a photo of your dissy that would be great(yes I am cheeky). 

[Pete126]

Got this reply from AccuSpark on Ebay:

Hello
Sorry I don't have any cross reference information for cars with a vacuum advance , sorry can't confirm fitment
 
Regards Tony

So as Steve said you would have to make it fit yourself Plus I'm not sure whether the trigger will fit on the shaft

[DEYAN IYI]

No, the shaft is bigger, as I mentioned in my previous post (I know I can't explain myself good in english  ) . But in the machine shop they can copy the shape of the AC one on the Bis's shaft in 3 min. Just needs to bring the good old classic one.

As Rusty said, the cables need about 10cm more. Is it too expensive to put 2x15cm more, AccuFriends!? And WTH means "cars with a vacuum...". Maybe 99% of the sets they got are for such rides. I wanted to ask them something about coils, but better not. 

The FIAT Uno has the same trigger like Bis. They have also an electronic pick-up one http://www.ricambio.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=1036 but it needs ignition module like Cinquecento 700 (if this sender is OK), also trigger-wheel for 2cyl. I'm not familiar with the modern cyber technologies, but someone could play with it.

Regards!

[Rusty's Uncle]

So it it looks like the Bis owners are going to wait a bit longer for a solution but I am sure that it is do-able. I will have to get my hands on a Bis distributor to explore the possibilities.
Deyan your english is fine and easier to understand than some of our locals when they use text speak 
Last chapter in my fitting - When refitting  the distributor to the engine line up the distributor body and rotor arm as near as you can to how they came out. As Deyan says the two wires are just a bit too short and I did not want any messy connections so after kicking around a few ideas I ended up bending the coil mounting bracket and also sliding the coil up in the bracket to bring it as close to the engine as possible . I could then connect the wires direct with about  2.5cms of slack to allow for engine movement. Static timing is now not possible so you have to fire up the engine and preferably set the timing with a strobe but you can just rotate the distributor until you get the engine running the best then play it by ear.

[cos124]

hi everyone in the forum, i hope you all had a nice holiday. After reading all your positive comments on the Ultra-Spark ignition kit, i went for it and ordered one from good old ebay. My Fiat 500 is a daily runner and starts fine, but the thought of not having to replace or check points ever again made my mind up. Kit arrived on time, the problem is it doesn't work! I'm talking about a head scratching issue here. I don't get any spark whatsoever. When i revert it back to points it starts perfectly ok, thus eliminating any coil or electrical issues. I've done the swap now at least 7-8 times, and same story, no spark at all with the electronic ignition, and perfect spark with the points. Fortunately Ultra-Spark are only local, and they tested in front of me a new module and then mine on their test rig and i could see that there is a signal and a spark. But why doesn't it work on my car? I have no idea. Any suggestions will be very very much appreciated. Before anyone asks, battery is perfect, wiring all correct, and yes i connected the red wire to +ve on the coil and black to -ve.

[nrg19uk]

Sounds like the centre is not aligned with the plate correctly, giving you
No trigger

[cos124]

i checked that, and it all seems fine. I dropped off the whole dizi assembly, Ultra spark had a look at it. They just got back to me. It all seems fine and works on their test rig! I really don't get this. How comes with points fitted i get a good spark, but not with the electronic ignition? I will re-fit on the engine for the 9th time and report back.

[Rusty's Uncle]

When you say that there is no spark is that because the engine will not fire or did you try a plug out of the engine to get a visual on the spark ?

[eben80]

Mine didn't work as a straight drop-in. I had to turn the dizzy substantially from its original timing setting.  You first need to make sure that it is in fact not sparking at all. It might just be that your timing will be out by a lot like mine was.

I ended up twisting the dizzy while starting the car until it fired up, to look for the correct timing.

Good luck.