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jkwinning

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Fiat 126 BiS
« on: December 15, 2015, 10:23:40 PM »
Looking to sell or swap for a car that is cheap to insure for a new driver. Its been restored to how it should've been when i got it, rust free, painted the original red. Doesnt currently start but does try, suspected timing or earth problem. Only really needs the front lights replacing, comes with it, and the rear bumper putting back on, again comes with it.

Open to any and all offers so feel free to offer what you want

Pictures: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/o1p1yoju88ee4tz/AAAX_k1nEy5LsBmhl3AVp-twa?dl=0
Pictures arent the most up to date, sorry about that.

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Re: Fiat 126 BiS
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2015, 12:17:54 PM »
No luck with cheaper insurance on the BIS?

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Re: Fiat 126 BiS
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2015, 01:35:31 PM »
Sadly not.

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Re: Fiat 126 BiS
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2015, 12:59:56 PM »
Something's gotta give. Look out your window, onto the street, find a cheap hatchback car parked somewhere and enter it's reg into your price comparison search- but don't change any of the other details. Is the price really much different? I don't think the car is to blame... something's not right here.

It would be such a shame to sell it on after the work that you've put it.

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Re: Fiat 126 BiS
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2015, 01:27:14 PM »
The cheapest i could get it down to on this was 1600 saying ive done a pass plus and making myself a few weeks older so im 18. Checked a few other cars like a vw lupo and it was 1200-1300 for them. I know it doesnt seem like much but for an unemployed student (something im trying to fix) its sadly to much.

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Re: Fiat 126 BiS
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2015, 02:23:53 PM »
I do feel sorry for the youngsters of today, my youngest lad passed his test at 17 and too insure a 206 1.1 was  £1,677.
And if you dont have a job or even if you do at 17 you will be on low wages so how they meant too get on the road is beyond me, my lad only did because we helped him pay the insurance.

I feel for you mate, i bet its really frustrating  :cry:
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Re: Fiat 126 BiS
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2015, 02:29:26 PM »
Yeah its not great, we're stereotyped far to much nowadays when it isn't even us teenagers causing most of the problems (atleast from my experience). Thankfully mum and dad have agreed to help me with insurance a bit but i need to pay most of it.

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Re: Fiat 126 BiS
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2015, 04:22:04 PM »
Whatever you do, whatever you chose, car-wise, it will cost.

That has to be accepted.

I'm in the business of driver education....and an awful lot of my prodigies are in the late teens.

WHilst they all have licences,up to LGV, etc...and their driver skills...although 'basic', are still reasonably competent, the big thing that lets them down is the unavoidable teenage attitude...which generally lasts well in the 20s.

Insurance companies solely work on 'risk'.

They also have the 'upper' hand.

And that 'upper hand' even affects me, at my age, and with my skills & experience.

Some insurers are even quite happy to actively discourage younger drivers from applying for policies.

I realise you have what appears to be, a '91 126...but, have you tried 'speaking' to brokers?

Particularly those who specialise in 'classic' vehicles?

Are you a full licence holder?  [That will help]

With the above, you can 'tailor' your policy with regards to annual mileage, agreed values, etc.

I know of an 18 year old, who has restored [?] a Morris Minor...on classic insurance, he finds the premiums more bearable?

These days, youngsters need to think, what they can afford, per month....rather than looking at the overall annual premium.

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Re: Fiat 126 BiS
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2015, 04:28:04 PM »
Ive been looking at what i can afford per month (which is currently a maximum of £120) and yes i am a full license holder as of yesterday but the quotes ive been pricing up ive put that im a full license holder. Ive looked at classic insurance but the ones ive found havent co sidered it a classic.

I know companies work based on risk from research but do you honestly think a car that can only do 72mph is much of risk.

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Re: Fiat 126 BiS
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2015, 08:02:52 PM »
Hi..the risk isn't at 72 mph...it's at 10 mph, or 20, or 30.

It's about how much blameworthy damage is to be allowed for?

Young drivers, new drivers, belong to a group which has a history of being involved in blameworthy mishaps.

We've all been there, so I have no intention of being 'holier-than-thou' about all this.

Some cars are cheaper than others to insure.....even I find that!  For sure, sometimes [not all the time] power, or speed capability, is taken into account.

Sometimes the sheer costs of repairing a particular car hike it's insurance costs.

The less a car is exposed to risk on the roads, the better the insurers like it.

Hence, limited mileage options cut costs.

Is there a chance one of those new-fangled 'black boxes' [the one's with the lights?] can be fitted?

Maybe your postcode is a 'loaded' area? 

Type of work has an impact on premiums too.

I believe one of the cheapest vehicles for a young driver to insure is an old Land Rover?

Maybe not something that is on your shopping list?

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Re: Fiat 126 BiS
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2015, 08:52:07 PM »

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Re: Fiat 126 BiS
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2015, 09:13:29 PM »
Already tried them, prices were £1683 annually and £1888 a month (155 a month) they actually gave me a lower price through a comparison site than through their own.

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Re: Fiat 126 BiS
« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2015, 03:52:25 PM »
Have you worked your way through this lot yet?

http://club126uk.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=9886.msg73269#msg73269

As Alastair said, if you're having trouble getting insurance, talk to the brokers.

An insurance company makes money from the premiums it charges. So they only want low-risk drivers paying sky-high premiums. If they think you're too big a risk they'd rather turn away the business.

Brokers are quite different. They WANT you to get insured. They make their money getting commission for every policy they sell. So they don't give a toss about the risk, it's not *their* money that has to pay out for a claim.

So if you're having problems, TALK to the BROKERS. Tell them you can't afford the price. Ask them why it's so high. Ask what you can do to get the price down. There are all sorts of dodges - being a member of a classic car club typically gets 5-10% off. This forum counts as a classic car club (even better if you're a subscribing member). Keeping the car overnight in a gated compound helps. So too does garaging. Behind locked gates is good. Even a residents-only off-road car park is good. Limited mileage. Have your mum as main driver. Avoid contentious professions - you're not a student, or self-employed. You're a consultant.
You don't want commuting cover. You only do 1000 miles a year. The car has not been modified in any way. And so on... Oh, and you want to get as much excess as you can, on top of the mandatory one. After all, you're never going to claim on anything (if you've got any sense) except a total loss.

None of this is unique to baby Fiats, it's just for young drivers every where. Personally I don't worry too much about bending the truth with insurance firms - after all, they lie blatantly to us. Believe me, you've never seen a teflon coated worm till you've seen an insurance company trying to avoid paying out. So for myself now I self-insure, except where there's some legal requirement or fire risk that stops me. 

But as far as damage, vandalism, theft etc are concerned, I figure the insurers won't pay out without a costly fight so after paying the premium and the legal costs I'll be no better off - why not just pay the costs of repair myself and avoid all the hassle?

As far as car insurance goes, you MUST have Road Traffic Act cover, but that's all. Anything above that you're just putting money straight to the bottom line of the insurance firm's accounts.

Remember too that this is only for a year. After that, you'll have a year's no claims discount. You move to another company. Any truth bending gets left behind, and after just a few years no-one knows or cares what fibs you told to get started on the ladder...

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Re: Fiat 126 BiS
« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2015, 06:09:44 PM »
Downside to going for the lowest possible level of cover [typically, road traffic acts]...is that inevitably [mathematically] you will be involved in a damage-creating collision.

Any shortfall financially, in meeting the claimant's bills falls to you...

So, if you have a friend in the passenger seat, and they get 'injured'..they won't care if you only have RTA cover..they'll 'sue' you for everything you'll ever likely to own.

Even your own insurer will recoup their liabilities from you.

No-one 'intends' to have an at-fault claim.  Some of us are lucky enough to have sufficient skills that reduce the likelihood to close to zero....but for a new driver, the odds are extremely high that someone will be claiming off you in the first years.

Can you afford to take that sort of financial risk? I know, I can't....but then, I'm not a 'high earner'....and am working still, well past my sell-by date.

All the above advice is good.....but, don't forget the 'bigger picture'?

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Re: Fiat 126 BiS
« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2015, 06:15:41 PM »
Yeah im not going for any third party cover or anything like that im sticking to comprehensive on the off chance i have a crash as i couldnt afford to pay anything if i only had third party.