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The Doctor

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« on: February 05, 2006, 07:04:00 PM »
Hi everyone
need to take the head off.  can this be done in situ, as I don't have the room nor the expertise to remove the entire gonk.
if it can be done, what do I (a) have to do step by step, and (b) what should I look out for and (c) what essential gaskets must be replaced.
thanks for your help, as always.  Tips on this would be great as I need to get at the damn exhaust bolts at the back, and I am resigned that the head has to come off. :cry:
cheers all
Graham
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« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2006, 09:13:10 PM »
DO U HAVE A FIAT 126 FSM ? OR A BIS ?

AS IVE JUST TAKEN A HEAD OFF MY FIAT 126 FSM, SO MAYBE I CAN HELP ?

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« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2006, 10:58:50 PM »
This might not sound too helpful, but really its best to get a manual and read it through so you know what you are doing, what parts you will need, and what you will be looking for when the head is off. There's a BIS manual online and the Haynes aircool manual is always cheap on ebay.

I don't know about the BIS, but you can remove the head in situ for an aircooler - its just cramped and awkward. It is much quicker and easier to take the engine out - it dosn't take much expertise - just a trolley jack, piece of wood and a spanner. If you don't feel confident about removing the engine, think twice about removing the head yourself without reading up on it.

What is the problem with the engine?

The Doctor

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« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2006, 12:17:29 PM »
thanks everyone.  It's a 1989/90 FSM aircooled. sounds easy Paul, and I do have the jack, spanners, wood etc.  the manual I got on CD off ebay tells the process but no photos and not very clear.  If anyone sees a manual (Haynes) on ebay please let me know as I haven't seen one recently.
Problem is the exhaust manifold again.  need to redrill, tap and helicoil again, but I want to do a thorough job, so either engine or head as to come out onto my workbench.  Is the engine heavy? do I need a helper or two? any advice on ermoving the gonk would be much appreciated.
Thanks again
Graham
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« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2006, 10:48:51 AM »
tip with the exhaust bolts/nuts clean them up with a wire brush if you can and spray them with wd40 or some kind of oil and let them soke over night of for 30mins when undoing them it might also be werth undoing them 3~4 turns and then winding them back 3 a fue times
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PaulB

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« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2006, 08:36:17 PM »
Don't take the head off to do the exhaust manifolds. And dont bother with helicoil. PM me your email address and I will send you the details of how to repair the head. I have a how-to document that I edited for the late Brian Rylance (Fiat 500 Club) that I can send you.

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« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2006, 09:42:58 PM »
hi paul, yes it was sad to hear that about Bryan, i saw the post on the forum. I read a few repair advice things he did. Didnt know him personaly though.

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« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2006, 09:40:23 AM »
hi everyone
still bothering you experts about getting the gonk out :!: following over a month of non-stop snow and minus 20, can get to berushka again and try to sort out the stripped exhaust threads.  although i have the tools, spanners, jack wood, etc. i still don't feel sure about removing the engine; please, could someone detail it step by step, it seems pretty straightforward, but I'm a Doctor, not a mechanic, and flywheel covers etc is all greeek to me :oops:
I am amazed at all the little problems cropping up on the forum, cables breaking, radio aerials etc, as Berushka has never had any of these, but this damned stupid little nut that holds the exhaust is driving me mad, plus my wife, because I keep stealing her car to go to work.  so, for the sake of peace in my home and to get my great little Ladybird back on the road, please help :!:
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Graham
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« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2006, 12:27:37 AM »
Hi

It will seem a pain the first time you take the engine out, but it is better than removing the head from an otherwise healthy engine. When the engine is out, any task on it is much easier. Someone to help pull it out and set it down somewhere and put it back is a help, but not essential. Make a note of what goes where as you remove it or take a picture.
The bell housing joins the gearbox to the engine and covers the clutch - if you look behind the engine you'll see it sloping away. When you remove the engine, you'll be leaving the bell housing and gearbox in place. Here's the procedure:

Make sure the car is on level ground with room to pull the engine out. Handbrake on, battery disconnected.

Remove engine compartment lid (don't forget to disconnect the numberplate wire)

On the right of the engine
Remove the heat shield from above the exhaust
Disconnect leads from ignition coil to distributor
Disconnect oil pressure switch lead (down behind distributor)
Disconnect heater air hose

On the left of the engine
Disconnect earth strap
Disconnect dynamo/alternator (which ever you have) but make a note of what goes where or take a picture
Disconnect large air hose (elephant's trunk) from fan case

On the top/centre of the engine
Disconnect the choke and accelerator cables from the carb
Disconnect the fuel pipe from the pump, and the return pipe from the carb if there is one.

Under the car
Remove the skirt/tray from below the alternator/fan casing
Remove the clutch inspection plate (almost triangular, between engine and gearbox
Remove wires and cables from starter motor (behind exhaust)
Remove the bolts which attatch the starter motor to the bell housing

Removing the engine
You need a plank of wood long enough to sit beneath the engine, right from the fan casing to the exhaust, but it must not stick out further or it will snag on the bodywork as the engine is pulled out. Put this on a trolley jack and run the jack under the sump.
Raise the jack so that it takes the weight of the engne
Undo the rear engine mount (bolt through centre of the spring) - you may need to adjust the height of the engine using the jack to make this easier
Remove the cross-member (the rear panel the bumper is attached to).
Support the gear box of a jack or blocks of wood.
Remove the remaining bolts joining the bell housing to the engine - I can't remember how many there are.
Slowly pull the engine from the car.

Put the engine back is reverse of above - just be sure it is lined up nicely so the gearbox shaft slots into the clutch and never allow the shaft to take the weight of the engine (i.e. don't lower the trolley jack too much without some bolts joining the bellhousing  to the engine in place. Before fitting the engine back, clean out the oil filter (centre of fan belt pulley on engine). You'll need a new seal for this, but it is essential maintenance work. There are other posts up about this.

It sounds a lot of work, but after the first time, you'll do it in no time at all.

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« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2006, 02:59:39 AM »
blimey Paul do you write haynes manuals? :D:D

terrific advice there, keep us posted Graham.

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« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2006, 08:58:13 AM »
Hi Paul
can only say a great and sincere thanks - your help is not only excellent but very easy to understand :!: only wish we lived nearer, it was worth a few bottles of the black falling down water!
It is fantastic to have such good help from friends we never meet - just a pity it is difficult to repay such kindness.
Can only send my best wishes, my thanks and to say that this club is the best thing since sliced bread!
If you read this and you aint a member, get joining pdq :!:
thanks again Paul and everyone else who advised me on this small but annoying problem. Berushka will be back on the road soon!!!
Graham
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« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2006, 12:51:14 AM »
No worries - that's what clubs are for. Errrm... I really should join soon! :D

Talking of haynes - get one as soon as you can and keep it in your car- its a great book and is essential for making owning an old car economical.