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AlleyNiki

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How to get more power? -650cc aircooled
« on: April 13, 2011, 02:43:18 PM »
Hi guys!

This is my first post so I have no idea if this question has been answered before.

I have a 1989 Fiat 126  650cc with pretty much all standard attachments. The engine runs fine but I would really like to get more power out of it.
However, I don't want to fit oversize valves or cylinders (bit too $$, am i right?)

It uses a 28IMB Weber carb and I just had it replaced. Also the head was replaced with new about a year back.

Could any of you guys please recommend which sport camshaft, exhaust and anything else that would enable me to get some more power out of the beast, without boring valves, engine casings?

(There is a slight oil drip from the bottom of the engine which could be due to cylinder / pistons needing replacing but it doesn't blow any smoke.)

Any advice would be much appreciated! I am prepared to spend over $1000 (au) just to give an idea.

Alastair

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Re: How to get more power? -650cc aircooled
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2011, 07:37:26 PM »
First step is  read the hundreds of past posts asking the same question.

Sorry to seem unhelpful but same question comes up every month ;)

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Re: How to get more power? -650cc aircooled
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2011, 10:49:34 PM »
Like Dajwid says, we have been here so often on this forum.

Power is a cruel and expensive mistress, she'll chew you up and spit you out  :P

But agreed a bigger carb should increase the hp.

My thoughts are to start-off with a test of what power you have, check this matches what the engine should produce, then take car fitted with new carb to a proper tuner and observe any increases.

Sometimes more noise can be mistaken for power :P
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Re: How to get more power? -650cc aircooled
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2011, 11:23:02 AM »
How does one perform this power test?

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Re: How to get more power? -650cc aircooled
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2011, 01:41:56 PM »
Only real way is to find somewhere with a dynamometer or "rolling road". Put you car up on the rollers and they test out power etc by using electric brakes on the rollers versus your cars ability to keep rollers moving. A decent tuning specialist would have one  but might cost you bit ?

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Re: How to get more power? -650cc aircooled
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2011, 07:33:16 AM »
first of all we have to know how much power you have now. How fast goes your 126? What is your actual engine? all original?

and second, we have to know how much power you want to get.

I have a late polish cylinder head with the smaller combustion camber, an 40-80/80-40 camshaft, new 650ccm cilinders and pistons, new valves and timing chain and an original 28IMB carb and it goes about 120 km/h (about 75mph).
That will be a quite good combination for usual driving in low rews, for highspeed-challenges the carb is to small...
« Last Edit: May 31, 2011, 06:22:45 AM by Alfons1972 »
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Re: How to get more power? -650cc aircooled
« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2011, 01:55:42 AM »
It's all original, except the head had been changed for a new one by a mechanic just before I bought the car.

It can go about 100km/h but I've never bothered to try and push it any further.. I've bought new cylinders and pistons plus a BIS clutch and I need to install them, yet.

Cheers :)

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Re: How to get more power? -650cc aircooled
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2011, 08:19:43 AM »
There was a modified 126 aircooled on the For Sale section recently. You might be interested in its specification. Here is the link.

http://club126uk.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5245.0


A slightly modified 126 aircooled which sold on ebay just two weeks ago.

http://club126uk.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5877.0
« Last Edit: May 30, 2011, 08:31:52 AM by Amateb8 »

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Re: How to get more power? -650cc aircooled
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2011, 01:24:33 PM »
The cheapest trick is to make it breathe - better/modified exhaust and real carb. Also proper air filter and spark plugs (NGK Iridium for example).

There are 2-3 unborn little horses (about 10% more). Surely you don't have to expect any miracle, but the dynamic will be really different. It will rev freely till it's maximum of 5.500rpm which means 120km/h (75mph), also reachable for a standard Kid but in 3min with good wind and prayer ;) 


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Re: How to get more power? -650cc aircooled
« Reply #9 on: June 01, 2011, 08:12:13 AM »
The cheapest trick is to make it breathe - better/modified exhaust and real carb. Also proper air filter and spark plugs (NGK Iridium for example).



What exhaust would you recommend? A few people seem to like the record monza replica, but I have no idea which exhaust is best for breathing purposes! There's also this serious looking exhaust that looks like a bazooka in some store sites.

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Re: How to get more power? -650cc aircooled
« Reply #10 on: June 01, 2011, 10:23:23 PM »
Well, it's hard to recommend, but here it's what I'm gonna do:





Polish mod from DIY-magazine (1985). It's needed the older type of exhaust, not the 650E one. You can see there are 2 variants: sport and tourist(the B-B one with the smashed pipe). The second one will be better for the standard engine, at least less noise.

The exhaust gave 2,5hp more on dyno and 15% less fuel consumption on road tests at 80km/h. They made some adjustments as well. http://denior.prv.pl/

Here you can take a look at comparison of polish aftermarket sport exhausts (rusty punks with suspicious sport value but "nice" bass sound) and the DIY one that worked good, no matter if it looks like piece of ..., ok, ... not a master one??? The guys say that it works pretty good in high rpm, but it's too loud, and at idle ... bad sound ... no bass haha, who cares!?

I'll make one more silencer, don't wanna chat with cops every time :$ I'll turn the outlet pipe forwards and then again to the back with U-pipe to a full flow perforated pipe stainless silencer about 50sm (on the same line with the rear bumper), 1/3 empty chamber, 2/3 with glasswool. It can be placed beneath the bumper as well (if there is no an Abarth oil sump with nicely painted in red letters) 8)

The Abarth Monza looks nice and must work cool. You can try it :)

About the carb, try to find Panda 30 Weber 30 DIC with manifold like Rusty's Uncle's one

Greetings! :)