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BIS slow speed cooling fan regulator
« on: March 20, 2017, 05:57:00 PM »
Just wondering if anyone with a BIS maybe able to help me with something.



Here is the cooling fan slow speed regulator and as you can see one of the terminals has snapped off. For anyone not in the know the BIS has two fan speeds. The first cuts in at a slow speed about halfway up the gauge then when the temp gets higher the regulator is bypassed and the high speed cuts in.

My regulator has been like this ever since I owned the car and it seems the last owners cure for this was to re-wire the circuit using a relay as a quick and simple way to substitute the regulator but without the coil to act as a resistor the relay can't produce a low current for the motor to run at a slow speed so it only runs on the high one. I'm convinced this hasn't helped my previous cooling issues on my old engines so I'm going to have a crack at fixing this one and returning it back to how it should be  but I need someone's help. I've had a look in the BIS manual and can't fathom out which wire goes one which terminal. I've worked out that there's two grey ones and I think there's supposed to be a black? So if someone can take a photo of theirs or tell me what terminals the coloured wires go to and I would be very grateful :D
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Re: BIS slow speed cooling fan regulator
« Reply #1 on: March 23, 2017, 06:00:11 PM »
Hi bud.
I will take a look at ours if its helps,were by is it as ive looked but cant spot mine lol  :D
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Re: BIS slow speed cooling fan regulator
« Reply #2 on: March 23, 2017, 06:08:17 PM »
Thank you Dave :thumbup if you look at the radiator fan it's on the bottom left of the fan. It's recessed into the motor cowelling. You might be able to see it from above just under the alternator
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Re: BIS slow speed cooling fan regulator
« Reply #3 on: March 23, 2017, 06:36:26 PM »
Right , ive found it lol  :D

You are right about the wires, 2 grey and a black but your regulator looks the same as mine and only has 2 connections.
The 2 grey wires go together and the black on it own
Ignore the scotch locks as it looks like some ones had something connected to it at some point ??



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Re: BIS slow speed cooling fan regulator
« Reply #4 on: March 23, 2017, 07:41:31 PM »
Thanks Dave it looks like yours is as much of as mess as mine  ;D but that does clear things up a bit. The regulator should have 3 connectors on but it seems that it's a common fault and they corrode off. It looks like someone has used a scotch lock to link the two grey ones together to bypass the resistor coil. Mine has been bypassed in a similar way but they have used a relay. So the big question is when does your fan cut in? Halfway up the gauge or about three quarters around (near the red)
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Re: BIS slow speed cooling fan regulator
« Reply #5 on: March 23, 2017, 07:51:46 PM »
Both of my grey wires go into the spade connection together, the scotch locks are on the wires but not connected to anything, just crimped on the wires?? I might as well take them off as they are doing nothing lol.

Both my fan speeds work although im not sure when on the gauge as ive not paid it that much attention but i know both speeds work ok :)
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Re: BIS slow speed cooling fan regulator
« Reply #6 on: March 23, 2017, 08:37:09 PM »
Both speeds work?? Well I'm totally baffled then  ??? Well I shall wire mine in the same way and see what happens
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Re: BIS slow speed cooling fan regulator
« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2017, 08:37:37 PM »
Is this any good mate?
I found this, not sure if you've seen it.

according to what it says, that thing (no3) is an additional resistor and going by the wiring diagram both grey wires go to the same connection.

Says the 2 stage thermal switch in the rad (no2) controls the 2 speeds of the fan.

Worth looking into it bud  :)

I have the pdf's if you need me to send them if you cant read these images :)

A: light blue
B: white
H: grey
M: brown
N:black
R: red
AR:light blue/red





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Re: BIS slow speed cooling fan regulator
« Reply #8 on: March 23, 2017, 08:45:57 PM »
That's very helpful! So it seems they only ever had two terminals and it wasn't broken at all so I wonder why my previous owner has gone to the trouble of wiring in a relay and bypassing the two stage system in mine?
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Re: BIS slow speed cooling fan regulator
« Reply #9 on: March 23, 2017, 08:55:04 PM »
hmm, not sure then, did they have a problem with the fan or think it wasn't working so rewired it ? 
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Re: BIS slow speed cooling fan regulator
« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2017, 06:11:42 AM »
Absolutely no idea?? I'll wire it back up at the weekend and go from there I think
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Re: BIS slow speed cooling fan regulator
« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2018, 03:52:44 PM »
Well it's been a while since I first looked into this issue so I thought I would give you all an update. Just a little brief background to the story, since picking up luigi in February 2013 the first stage (slow speed) fan setting has never worked. It has only ever been able to use the high speed which cuts in at around 100 degrees. The reason for this was a snapped earth wire on the fan speed resistor located on the bottom corner of the fan housing which many BIS owners have experienced over the years. For reasons best known to themselfs the previous owner decided not to repair or replace the resistor but to let the engine use the hotter temp setting and to hardwire in a fan switch to manually switch the fan on from inside the car. I firmly believe that this is why I ate so many head gaskets in the first two years. I ended up using waterless coolant because I was at a loose end. My fast idle solenoid was'nt working either so when the fan did cut in the engine shudder which meant that I had to adjust the revs to a higher setting to over come this. Using waterless coolant meant that the high temp setting wasn't much of an issue anymore but it was a hot summer this year and I would've preferred both speeds to work.

This year I decided enough was enough and I was going to sort it and get it how it should be so over the last three days I've been hard at it and today after 5 years I have TWO fan speeds AND a fully working fast idle solaniod....... The joy I'm feeling right now can hardly be expressed in words  ;D

In short I had three problems to overcome. The 1st was what happened to that black earth wire that goes on the resistor. I had the two grey ones that go on the other side (see post 4) which the owner had attached to a relay near the radiator. Because electrickery isn't my strong point I had initally thought this was some sort of resistor substitute that the last owner had wired in but it turns out that it was just a relay to work the fan from inside the car. Inspecting the wiring diagram revealed that the fan would come on regardless of the black earth wire snapping off but would only come on the higher hotter setting. So I peeled back the copious amounts of electoral tape the previous owner had wrapped around the two grey wires and hey presto - the black earth wire. So I crimped a new spade on the end and fitted it up and problem number two appears....... It still didn't come on! DOH!

I studied the wiring diagram and called it a night. The next day I pulled up the carpet. The diagram said that the earth ran though a conector block and using a test light I found it. The conector block was corroded to hell (the leaky window screen was the culprit long since sorted) so, I had a new conector block and fitted it in, time for test number 2 and success! The fan cut in at its slow speed halfway up the temp gauge just as it should and never has before in my ownership! I was so happy BUT problem number 3 came. The fast idle solaniod didn't cut in DOH!

The reason the fast idle solenoid didn't work before was because the little lever had fallen off the carb. A good secondhand carb was sourced (complete with little lever) and sorted this out but was redundant as the slow speed fan never cut in but it did work and has always been working until now. More head scratching and another night called in. Next day I studied the wiring diagram (I now know it of by heart) and managed to find out where all the wires went and even got the solenoid to work by hard wiring it to a live. In the end i traced it back to the fuse......it had blown! But why? ...... 2 fuses later and still no joy until I had the idea that my fan, which is an aftermarket one may be drawing more current than the standard one so I fitted a 30 amp one and bingo! A fan that cuts in when it should AND a working fast idle solenoid! I couldn't be happier! Never give up guys! :thumbup
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Re: BIS slow speed cooling fan regulator
« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2018, 03:52:03 PM »
You got me thinking about mine. The fan turns off and on when the temp sort hits the middle of the temp gauge. I'm not sure whether both fan speeds work. Well, at least in turns on.

One of the terminals of my fast idle solenoid has snapped off. I wonder whether this will have a negative impact on the fan. The fan still works despite this.

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Re: BIS slow speed cooling fan regulator
« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2018, 12:52:44 PM »
Also got me thinking. Mine comes on when the gauge is at half way, but never heard the second speed  :-

Any idea where the gauge sits when the 2nd stage fan comes in?

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Re: BIS slow speed cooling fan regulator
« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2018, 06:37:51 PM »
In theory in this country you would probably never hear the faster 2nd speed as the sower 1st speed is more than adequate to bring the temp under control. It only comes in when it gets really hot.

There are two ways of checking you two speeds. The first way is to get the engine up to temp so the first speed cuts in. Once it cuts out pull the terminal which shares the TWO grey wires off the fan speed resistor and let it hang loose (do this with the engine off then restart the engine). If your two stage thermo switch is working correctly then as the temp rises to 2 marks from the red on your gauge it earths out and sends a direct current to the fan though the two joined wires that you pulled off and the fans spins at a higher speed. If you reconnect the terminal then the fast speed will continue until the second stage of the thermo switch opens and stops the current flowing directly to the fan so instead the current is forced to earth through the resistor which slows the fan speed down. This will continue until the first stage of the thermo switch opens and cuts the current (via a relay in the fuse box) and switches the fan off ready for the process to start again.

If it's just the second fan speed you want to check then just switch the ignition on, pull the terminal with the two grey wires on off the fan speed resistor and just simply earth it with a wire to an earth point (I use the boot latch) and the fan will burst into life :thumbup
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