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jeffgainford

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Noisy first gear
« on: October 26, 2016, 06:36:30 PM »
My first gear is very noisy, but I have no noise problems with the reverse gear. Is this a gear or bearing problem.


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Re: Noisy first gear
« Reply #1 on: October 26, 2016, 06:58:18 PM »
What kind of noise? Is it a rumbling or a whine? If it's a whine then it's completely normal
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Re: Noisy first gear
« Reply #2 on: October 26, 2016, 08:46:41 PM »
What kind of noise? Is it a rumbling or a whine? If it's a whine then it's completely normal
It's a whining noise


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Re: Noisy first gear
« Reply #3 on: October 26, 2016, 09:47:34 PM »
It's probably not completely normal, but I do have the same whining noise on one of my cars but not on the others, does not bother me too much, all part of being a Fiat 126 owner!  ;D
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Re: Noisy first gear
« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2016, 08:31:12 PM »
yep, our bis whines in first, sounds like a straight cut rally box until i change to second lol  :D
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Re: Noisy first gear
« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2016, 09:12:21 PM »
I've driven my 126 for a few years and never really understood first gear.

It seems to be a very brief 'taking off' gear, with a quick change to 2nd.....but not a slowing down gear. I've got used to it, but others who drive my 126 tend to change down to first gear towards junctions and get a bit of a crunch.

For me first gear is very noisy, but not needed that much, or for long.  All other gears are noisy too, and 70mph downhill in 4th gear on a wide and straight road sounds like an electric drill and with the interior view mirror vibrating like a jelly!

Or is that just my car?

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Re: Noisy first gear
« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2016, 09:55:12 PM »
but others who drive my 126 tend to change down to first gear towards junctions and get a bit of a crunch.
Tell them before they drive your car never to push the gear stick towards first unless the car is stationary (and that's even with the clutch down). First and reverse don't have synchromesh.

All 126s are noisy, I've found the fastest you can go at "noisy-ish" speed is 30MPH in 4th... but that's nearly labouring the engine.

I do wonder about my first though. If I stay in first and travel at say a constant low speed, it'll make the usual loud noise as expected, but every few seconds it'll make a louder churning-over-like noise. Weird.

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Re: Noisy first gear
« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2016, 10:16:10 PM »
others who drive my 126 tend to change down to first gear towards junctions and get a bit of a crunch.

I'm glad your friends don't drive *my* car !!!  And if they change down into first whilst moving, don't worry, you're not the only one who doesn't understand gearboxes !!

I don't know whether or not your particular gearbox has synchromesh on first gear, many early synchro boxes only had it on the upper "driving" gears - reason being that for most cars first is far too low a gear for anything but starting from rest - but your view of first as a "starting off" gear is entirely correct.

Modern full syncho boxes *can* be moved into first on the move, but any experienced driver will shudder as much  the gearbox at the very thought of it  :o

If you look at the physics of gearboxes, changing from one moving gear, say 3rd, to another, say 4th, involves changing the gear ratio for driving at one speed - say 30mph - to another. Say, 40 mph. In physics terms, the moving body (the car) has to accelerate from one finite velocity to another, in this case by just over 30%. In crude terms (ignoring all sorts of practical issues like friction, air resistance etc) this means the engine has to transmit an extra 30% of its energy thought the gearbox.

However, when starting from rest, the initial velocity of the body is zero. To go from zero mph to even 0.5mph takes a HUGE amount of energy - in theoretical physics/maths terms, the initial change from zero veleocity to the tiniest non-zero velocity takes an infinite anount of energy. Now obviously the fuel tank isn't *that* big, and even if it were the carburettor would in theory have to deliver an infinite amount of fuel in zero time to provide enough energy to get the car to move at all.

Fortunately, in the real world these theoretical limits are not met, but even so the principle still applies - to accelerate the vehicle from rest to moving takes a huge amount of effort, even though it's only for a first tiny fraction of a second. So how is this achieved?

The answer is by setting up the engineering to deliver all that energy as quickly as possible. So, the engine spins at a high rate and delivers power through a slipping clutch. The carburettor delivers higher than usual amounts of fuel through extra jets and by-pass tubes etc, and the gearbox transmits the power through the lowest gear that is practiacable.

So you are very much correct that first is a starting off gear. Never in my nearly 50 years of driving have I ever encountered it being used for engine braking, and I am astonished that anyone would ever think of it like that. Is that what they teach at driving school these days?

Please, don't EVER let anyone drive your car if they use first as a braking gear !!

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Re: Noisy first gear
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2016, 08:08:30 AM »
It's also worth noting that 2nd is incredibly good at low speeds. You only have to be at a slow walking pace and it will pick up again with no trouble (so long as the engine is in good tune) so I've always said that if you find yourself creeping up to a traffics light that have just turned green then go for 2nd it's perfectly fine :).
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Re: Noisy first gear
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2017, 07:54:13 PM »
Only ever select 1st and reverse when stationary, or get ready for noise, more noise and then 1st gear failure, not a big problem though you can get the gears I think I paid about £150 for the gears and shafts, also fitted new bearings at the time, don't buy bearings through motor factors if you can avoid it, take out the old ones and take them a bearings and belts distributor  they will match them up and you will get them at a fraction of the price, the gearbox rebuild is a simple job if and when needed.