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steering boss?
« on: April 19, 2016, 09:00:14 AM »
im going to be wanting to fit a mountney steering wheel at some point, can you get a steering boss for one for a 126

on ebay etc i can find a steering boss for every fiat except the 126

mine is 1979

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Re: steering boss?
« Reply #1 on: April 19, 2016, 02:46:10 PM »
Have a read through this thread.  As I don't think you have an ELX (but if you do, read the WHOLE thread) you'll find the interesting bits towards the end of page 2.


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Re: steering boss?
« Reply #2 on: April 19, 2016, 02:47:39 PM »
Well, *that* thread wasn't very interesting, was it...

So try this one instead ...  :$

http://club126uk.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=10269.msg76081#msg76081


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Re: steering boss?
« Reply #4 on: April 19, 2016, 11:25:30 PM »
Well that's certainly a good price, from what I've seen in recent months. Before you buy, I recommend you check the number of splines on your steering column - should be 20 or 38, let us know if it's not one of these, these seem to be the standard 'traditional' baby Fiat ones - and then contact Merlin to check the number of splines in what they're offering. This should save a lot of wasted postage costs if nothing else, if it turns out not to fit.

The other thing you might want to do is to check out the current ranges of Mountney and Springalex. I've explored steering wheels a bit, but I don't know the Springalex name or their range. You often see Mountney of course, on eBay and through various distributors, and again, once you've found a style and size you like contact the seller to double check on the fitting.

Be careful with the diameter of the wheel. The space available in the MCA is most likely different from the donor 126, and using a wheel of the standard diameter might be a tad on the large side, I don't know.

Ladislav (1973/126) built my CC Zero, and fitted a gorgeous tiny Mountney wheel, I haven't measured it but it must be only about 250mm/10" which is a bit of a nightmare for controlling the car, but hey, who cares, it looks really cool!! Standard wheels can be 14" or 16", and "traditional" style wheels are usually larger as on older cars there was typically no power steering so the steering wheel was very large diameter to allow for greater leverage. You do NOT want a full size traditional wheel in a tiny little beast like the MCA.

As Ladislav is the only person I know with an MCA, and since he has substantial experience in this area, I suggest you ask him nicely for his advice as to size.  (Don't tell him I sent you, he must be getting fed up with all my referrals!  :-X)

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Re: steering boss?
« Reply #5 on: April 20, 2016, 02:44:49 PM »
Well that's certainly a good price, from what I've seen in recent months. Before you buy, I recommend you check the number of splines on your steering column - should be 20 or 38, let us know if it's not one of these, these seem to be the standard 'traditional' baby Fiat ones - and then contact Merlin to check the number of splines in what they're offering. This should save a lot of wasted postage costs if nothing else, if it turns out not to fit.

my steering column has 21 splines with a standard 70s 126 wheel on (center pad missing though)

i will ask the company and see if that boss is correct

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Re: steering boss?
« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2016, 06:50:19 PM »
Well I found that the "standard" Fiat splines were 20 and 38. Then, if you read that thread I gave a link to, you'll know that Joe Webb found his 37-spline column was from a Cinquecento.

Guess what? According to stuff I've found on a Fiat 500 forum, some 500Ls were also supplied with a Cinquecento column, only this time with 21 splines. So looks like you may have a Cinq column too!

Seems Fiat were devils at fitting any old thing to the production line. Mind you, during one of my jobs in the motor industry I heard the same thing about Ford regarding headlamps - if they ran out of the specified headlamps, it was cheaper to fit any old rubbish (typically last year's now-obsolete sealed beam units...) and sort out any subsequent warranty claims if a customer ever noticed, than it was to stop the production line while they waited for new stock of the right item to arrive.  And that was from a design engineer at Ford Dunton in Essex, so I'm guessing he would know!

Reading around Bar Vitelli's thread today about the Otto Bulloni I found this information from Coy's auction house:

<< In 1965 the Nuova 500 F was introduced as heir to the “D”. The modifications were mostly aesthetic, the most obvious being the removal of the so called “suicide” doors: in 1965 the law was changed in Italy forbidding the manufacturing of cars with door hinges on the rear of the door. The body was also modified in many more ways than meets eye. In reality all that maintained from the “D” was the bonnet and the front of the car. The tank was now larger, its capacity increased to 22 litres, the engine had revised valve timing and delivered 18 hp, the suspension was stiffened and the axle shafts of greater diameter. Even the braking system was enhanced and used bigger brake cylinders. Initially the 500 F used some pieces of the old D, waiting for the introduction of the new parts and also exhausting old stocks of Fiat (which was quite common at the time).

The car we offer here today is a part of that small batch of cars, which are known as the pre F, built from March 1965 to July 1965, this series is different from the latter due to the concealed door hinges that are fixed to the body with 8 bolts. Other important fine details are door handles and window winders constructed of cast aluminium instead of the plastic that was used later, the seats are derived from the D version with supporting rubber bands, headlight rims, front wheels, the support of the front indicators, the grille and hub caps are all aluminium as on the previous version D, and from May 1965 they were being replaced by cheaper material.>>

Obviously Fiat were into mix 'n' match long before Woollies thought of the term!

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Re: steering boss?
« Reply #7 on: April 20, 2016, 08:03:36 PM »
well ive gone out and double, triple checked its 21 spline i think on the shaft

looking at the steering wheel to it seems to be 20 with a slot so im unsure if its 21 now or a standard 20 (heres hoping)



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Re: steering boss?
« Reply #8 on: April 23, 2016, 12:03:39 AM »
yeah that looks like the standard coarse spline so should be easier to find a boss to fit.

also, thanks to my ELX boss adventures I have 2 20 tooth bosses in stock with 70mm / 73mm PCD (if you're interested)

one of which should work with the self cancelling indicators? :headscratch:

you can have the non self cancelling one for a tenner or the self cancelling one for 15, although I'm not sure what the PCD is for Mountney wheels.
Momo or sparco ones will fit though.

let me know!

1999 Fiat 126p elx, 1971 Greeves Pathfinder, 72 Datsun 240z

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Re: steering boss?
« Reply #9 on: April 23, 2016, 07:28:53 AM »
thanks for the kind offer but my steering wheel won't fit that boss, i believe the mono bosses etc are too small for the center of the mountney steering wheel (which ive already got)

this is the type im going to need



just trying to get in touch with the company who makes it, apparently it takes a while as they are just a retired couple who make them as a small business

hopefully get a email in next few days


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Re: steering boss?
« Reply #10 on: April 23, 2016, 12:41:39 PM »
No worries, hope it works out!  :)
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Re: steering boss?
« Reply #11 on: May 21, 2016, 07:59:03 AM »
steering boss arrived :)