engine conversionsssssss

[Dom.kelltt]

so then. as many of you know (hate me for it) I am putting a Subaru engine in my fiat, however while I rebuild that to s decent standard I want to just have it plodding along with a reliable yet cheap engine. so my question is what's the easiest engine conversion for a fault reliable engine as I've heard the bis engine isn't too reliable and if need a lot of new pars to get that one running also.

any ideas of fairly reliable engines that pretty much just plug in and only need minimal adaptors and adjusting?

heard about the fire engines and uno or cinquecento engines?

many thanks Dom


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[Piotross]

The best option is putting engine: Fiat uno 900, Cinquecento 900 or 1.1, Fiat Punto 1.2, 1.4. Simple work
with electric, cooling, the most putting engines.

Subaru engine for Fiat 126 ? pffff don't do it.

[Pete126]

so then. as many of you know (hate me for it) I am putting a Subaru engine in my fiat, however while I rebuild that to s decent standard I want to just have it plodding along with a reliable yet cheap engine. so my question is what's the easiest engine conversion for a fault reliable engine as I've heard the bis engine isn't too reliable and if need a lot of new pars to get that one running also.

any ideas of fairly reliable engines that pretty much just plug in and only need minimal adaptors and adjusting?

heard about the fire engines and uno or cinquecento engines?

many thanks Dom


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No disrespect Dom but you have covered all these engine conversions before, Last week you were re-fitting the 704 engine back in, god knows what your going to put in next week

[Dom.kelltt]

ok then thankyou piotross
Dom


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[mintex]

My bis seems to be reliable enough?
Heard of a few having overheating problems but mine is standard and runs perfect (famous last words...)
Any car can be trouble some if its not looked after, the older ones just need a bit more love than the newer ones lol 

[Gadge]

So the plan now is while you somehow workout how to make the Subaru engine smaller and more dimensionally better you now want to install another smaller non standard engine to get you by in the mean time?........

[Bambino126]

Can't you just put your old Bis engine in while waiting for the Subaru? If its knackered and the Subaru is still a long way off, then a cheap second hand Bis engine would be the answer to keep you on the road. I can't really see the point of a 3rd 'other' engine.

[drcdb15]

Shame on you more 'senior' folks for giving Dom such a hard time (though it did make me smile...), and shame on you, Dom, for a post that has more than a whiff of a troll about it... yes? no?   

Anyway, most folks in this situation wouldn't waste time and effort and money on the route you suggest. If you are serious about completing the Scooby transplant then *any* resources spent on something that is not directly focused on that is so much resource wasted, be that time, money, favours from friends or whatever.

You should devote *all* your resource to completing the Scooby. If this requires that you obtain some alternative mode of transport, then do just that. Go by bus. Get a bike. Get a motorbike. Get another car that's cheap to run and reliable.

But if you divert to another engine transplant, *that* will become your project, and the Scooby idea will fall by the wayside. You will never return to it.

Why? Because faced with the NEED to fix the 'new' engine transplant (so you can actually get from A to B), as against the mere WISH to work on the Scooby (because that isn't essential, it's only a dream), the 'new' engine will ALWAYS take priority. Result is you will always be working on the new engine, and never on the Scooby.

I caveated this by saying "if you are serious about the Scooby project...". I wonder if in fact you're actually having second thoughts about it, and would welcome a change of direction to something less ambitious and more readily achievable?

If that's not the case then please don't be offended, but if it is the case, you wouldn't be the first, I've been down that road more than a few times myself, and you certainly won't get any stick from me over it, and I would hope nor from other members who have been, perhaps, shall we say, not so forgiving of your ambitions in the past 

The ideas suggested by Piotr sound very interesting, and probably well worth investigating in more detail. Back in the day, I got the engine/transmission unit out of an 850 Sport hoping to transplant it into my 500 Giardiniera...  as others have found before me, "life" got in the way (though not having a garage didn't help much either!) and ultimately both went to that great car park in the sky...

[Gadge]

How rude........ I'm no senior 

[thepuddlejumper]

Follow your dreams, the 900 cinq seems like a straightforward conversion as all the adaptors are freely available on eBay just now. My scuba conversion has stalled due to the weather, I don't have a suitable garage to work in,but the engine is connected to a bis gearbox and ran very well on a bench well floor test. Best of luck with your project.

There is a guy on YouTube fitting a scuby into a 126,very interesting he has completed the basic engine install so far, worth a look.

Fiat 126 Subaru project engine swap

Ralph

[Gadge]

Follow your dreams........

Laugh out loud  .....pipe dream more like although I shan't comment on Doms project as I don't want to upset him but I will direct my attention to the chap on YouTube as at least he has actually fitted one but sadly he's also making it up as he goes but at least he's proved my point beautifully. It doesn't fit. And this is the whole problem that people are not grasping. Once it's in there's no room for anything. This example is a non turbo unit and it hangs inches from the floor (and that's not including the sump). Just imagine if it was a turbo unit - where would the turbo go  then there's the fuel injection unit (if it was a turbo unit where will the inter cooler go?) inside the cabin I guess  . Oh, and it hangs out the back a bit too i'ld say..... So the rear panel not going on then I take it?. A Subaru engined fiat 126 project would have serious legs on it if it were an aircooled one that perhaps didn't have any turbos on it but on a BIS model? It's a still born project in my opinion.

To further my case have a look at this clip of a fire engine installed in a BIS and see the obvious flaw in using inline four cylinder engines http://youtu.be/RZFrZLBIaWY

I will be watching the Subaru youtuber with interest though 

[thepuddlejumper]

Well Z Cars have fitted an ej25 into a fiat 500 looks as it fits Ok. A bit of thought and a dab of engineering and of course some vision. They also sell a conversion kit, but it is a bit expensive. By the way the guy on YouTube will have to sort out a starter as the 126 isn't man enough. I am looking forward to see how he will overcome this.
Gadge, I agree that conversion in the bis with the in line 4 for me doesn't work.

Ralph

[Gadge]

A 500, like the aircooled 126 has more room than a BIS.....loads more. The youtubers engineering skills are questionable at best but at least he'll help settle the argument. I'll be tuning in for sure....although he's moving house so it won't be for a while 

[Gadge]

Incidentally here's a link to probably one of the best budget engine conversions I've seen. This is how it should be done - with thought and common sense the fire engine can be squeezed into the back of an aircooled quite simply AND can be road legal. An ingenious conversion 

http://youtu.be/FoBu0PnLdMs

[Xylaquin]

I'm with mintex, the BIS engine is fine.

When mine eventually dies I'm thinking of converting my BIS to electric; perhaps by that time batteries will have decent range/cost.