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poxxxy

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Re: My 1992 126 BIS restoration project
« Reply #60 on: August 20, 2014, 06:39:57 PM »
thats a bit strange, my idle screw is 1.5 turns out (dies when you screw it right in, as that leans it right up)



Doubt it makes too much difference to be honest :). The 8.5mm and 13mm measured from the face of the gasket btw.

I need a fairy car mother to take it away and fix it up at the minute!

In an attempt to lean it out as it smelled a little fuelly I tried adjusting the mixture screw (according to that polish site the bottom right one when your looking at the choke/throttle etc.) earlier but only seems to want to run when its fully screwed in and dies when unscrewing at all.

Screw number 5 on that diagram on the polish site? That's what I was expecting to happen...
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Re: My 1992 126 BIS restoration project
« Reply #61 on: August 20, 2014, 07:07:46 PM »

The rocker cover although new and non-deformed still holds the 2nd cylinder valves open when tightened up enough to stop oil leaks there at the gasket.


Wouldn`t this be causing the smoking of the engine, or have you sorted this issue out?

 
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Re: My 1992 126 BIS restoration project
« Reply #62 on: August 20, 2014, 07:11:22 PM »
Not sure exactly how to sort it to be honest! :). I thought about putting 2 of the gaskets I have for the thing in place to try and space it out. It doesn't help things as that burns up into the engine bay and isn't pleasant!

I don't think its contributing to the smoke thats pouring out of the exhaust though as under throttle and higher RPM's it really throws it out. But now with an added haze of grey and black from running rather rich.

I can't find a cc700 rocker cover anywhere as they look much better being cast instead of this rubbish tin cover. It certainly doesn't help but I had it sorted before and had it running without leaks from there before the rebuild.
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Re: My 1992 126 BIS restoration project
« Reply #63 on: August 20, 2014, 08:19:44 PM »
Just seen a complete engine on eBay...... It's a bit pricey at £350 but it does go to show that they do turn up now and again :(
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Re: My 1992 126 BIS restoration project
« Reply #64 on: August 20, 2014, 08:30:56 PM »
Yeah i've seen it, I sent an offer of £75 (after seeing some posts on here that said someone bough tone for that a while back lol). and had a counter offer back at £349.98 so that's that really... There was one I missed the end of the auction at 180... but its miles away and still more than I can afford now. Then theres the chance of it actually being any good! Thinking about throwing some k-seal in and see what happens... if anything! Its not steam though, pretty sure its smoke! So may try some steel seal in the oil or something perhaps and pray for a miracle.
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Re: My 1992 126 BIS restoration project
« Reply #65 on: August 20, 2014, 10:26:05 PM »
Hi
There`s a bis engine on ebay item no 131271368448

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Re: My 1992 126 BIS restoration project
« Reply #66 on: August 20, 2014, 10:34:51 PM »
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FIAT-126-bis-/181496633988?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item2a420ada84r

heres a whole car which is a runner, currently £300, engines good, flog the rest.

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Re: My 1992 126 BIS restoration project
« Reply #67 on: August 21, 2014, 12:48:01 AM »
So the auction says... but I bet its not as innocent as it sounds... :(. No trailer either and no more room for another car here unfortunately. lol.
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Re: My 1992 126 BIS restoration project
« Reply #68 on: August 21, 2014, 07:07:03 PM »
Well this afternoon I decided to carry on playing with the fiat... Managed to stop the rocker cover leak (turns out it had bent a little... I put it down to possibly a slightly bent stud and dodgy washer perhaps... but maybe I had managed to over tighten it previously to deform this new cover :(, not admitting to it though! Also changed the gasket for one I know I had it sealed up with before.).

The symptoms continued for a while... no smoke till warm and then smoking when warm. But I decided it was time to start playing with the carb... I came to the conclusion that the engine was running rather lean and generally possibly running just too hot (perhaps the thermostat is sticking slightly?) the idle was hunting a little to after me leaning the idle out too much. (theres also another couple of screws on either side of the carb... decided to turn these right in)... the engine ran much better! My dad had a play and did a little fine tuning and never had the engine sounding and running/revving so nicely... also the smoke appeared to be going through phases of coming and going... the fan mechanism is working correctly now... and the smoke problem seems to be just disappearing... Could it be the engine was just running too lean and getting far too hot, and an aged slightly rusty thermostat (despite the dash temperature remaining in a safe area) could be causing the oil just to reach a temperature its not too comfortable at?

I'm thinking its time to remove the thermostat and just run it cool, hopefully its not too bad in the winter but I don't plan on driving it around much (although gotta be the car for having some drifting fun!).

Water seems to have stopped leaking from the jacket/block (possibly through rust build up! but i'm not complaining and possibly a candidate for a k-seal test) and no steam espacing anywhere... Also no combustion gas's in the coolant as I made sure to have a good look.

Still not managed to bleed the heater matrix at the front even with trying to pull a vacuum so must be blocked... thinking to drain the coolant (water and replace with something proper!) and then blow through the pipe with compressed air to try and dislodge anything that might be blocking the path.

Not sure if i'm being hopeful that the car might actually be finding its own way... maybe someone took pity on me and decided its time for it to work! lol. But definitely considering carb/fueling could of even been the issue in the first place... and perhaps the rings are starting to bed in nicely.

Had a few runs round the block whilst all this was going on... and even had a couple with absolutely clear exhaust fumes... Hopefully the smoky periods will disappear!

I have to say, the engine is very spritely and responds great with no flat spots and pulls very nicely! The second throttle opening works great to. As for the 20-50w mineral engine oil in the box (halfords made by comma) the gear changes were smooth and light :).

Now I definately need to order those gearboxs mounts.

Maybe someone can shed some light...

Thinking its time for another copper head gasket soon... and maybe try and get her in for an MOT asap.
 
A friend came with me for the ride... they were hilarious when I took a corner at 15mph they were acting like it was 50mph!

Feeling much better about everything finally... hope its not premature! :).

After this I decided to plug in the color tune I bought earlier in the year from Rusty, to be honest it did not like it at all and started backfiring although when it did work... the spark was bunsen blue before the yellow balls of flame from backfiring appeared... this continued when I put in a dirty spark... but seemed to clear up after a while. I will only know if this problem reappears on trying to start the car again tomorro when its cooled down a little. But I think the spark was just a little fouled!
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Re: My 1992 126 BIS restoration project
« Reply #69 on: August 21, 2014, 09:13:14 PM »
That's very encouraging news poxxy :) the smoky gases are certainly a mystery but not one I'll want to question now their going lol. Removing the thermostat is not a bad idea - sure it runs cool for a while but it's the lesser evil compared to one that's stuck shut. I have a modified thermostat on mine which relocates it to where the top water junction is and has made a big difference so if you come across one you should buy it! Also it's very important to get the air out of the heater system. I have a big feeling that it was this that caused my head gasket to blow after my matrix leaked.
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Re: My 1992 126 BIS restoration project
« Reply #70 on: August 22, 2014, 01:47:10 PM »
That's very encouraging news poxxy :) the smoky gases are certainly a mystery but not one I'll want to question now their going lol. Removing the thermostat is not a bad idea - sure it runs cool for a while but it's the lesser evil compared to one that's stuck shut. I have a modified thermostat on mine which relocates it to where the top water junction is and has made a big difference so if you come across one you should buy it! Also it's very important to get the air out of the heater system. I have a big feeling that it was this that caused my head gasket to blow after my matrix leaked.

Hi
Well done fingers crossed that it`s sorted now
With the modified thermostat housing could you use a Cinquecento 0.9 thermostat as they look
very similar in size/bolt pattern to the bis top water junction
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Re: My 1992 126 BIS restoration project
« Reply #71 on: August 22, 2014, 01:55:44 PM »
Yeah the thermostat location isn't very smart really... its doing its job though for sure and smoke has disappeared completely now! Fingers crossed it stays that way. Just trying to figure out what's left before I can consider an MOT and start prioritising... currently a list of 13 items!

The washer jet motors, are they ran through a relay? I can't hear one when I try and activate either and notice a dimming of lights on the dash so powers trying to go somewhere? I've not had the plug connectors off to check for voltage so perhaps just seized pump motors?

Got to fabricate a battery clamp, I have no idea what the stock battery strap held onto though :).

Got to replace a grease nipple in a stub axle which I have here.

Order some gearbox mounts.

Sort out the mashed thread in the rear left hub... does anyone know the correct pitch/bolt size for the thread?

Secure a headlight and a few other little things!
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Re: My 1992 126 BIS restoration project
« Reply #72 on: August 22, 2014, 07:38:02 PM »
Managed to unblock the washer tubes and my god... the organisms living in those bags was weird... it looked like a bird had been dissolved in the one (looked like feathers and all kinds of toxic alien stuff when it came pouring out). The other one was luminous blue/green slime... god knows how long the stuff had been in there... immediately washed my hands and tried not to breathe!

So turns out power is at the connectors after I had a look at the wiring diagrams and had the multimeter out... but the motor... well they're both succombed to rust and totally seized solid once I took them apart. Don't seem to be able to budge the spindle at all and the rust all around the actual motor is pretty damn thick!

So I then discovered it doesn't seem possible to find washer jets suitable! :(. Local halfords stopped selling them although I bought some for another job a few months back (whether or not there were any suitable, we'll never know :(). I can't make out the original lucas part number but they do both differ despite being the same. all I can see on both of them is BES and 12v-8k which doesn't bring up much. Seems lucas only make a generic washer pump. I do wonder if I can source a couple of pumps though to retain the original 2 bags! I'd like to keep things completely stock, for MOT my dad has found out an old washer bag he kept from years ago (and has no idea really what it came from other than something Japanese as its made by Nippondenso). Got it all hooked up and unblocked the jets with a vacuum and pin.

I don't suppose anyone has any lying around or can help source an original fitment replacement? It might be the case the tops from the pumps can be switched as they only seem to be held on by a few tabs and screwed if the shaft fitment on the propellor would be the same.

Otherwise... i'll have to move away from the stock 2 bags and look for a decent replacement, perhaps with 2 motors or single operation via the column switch.
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Re: My 1992 126 BIS restoration project
« Reply #73 on: August 29, 2014, 09:24:46 PM »
Waiting on the following and then should be ready to get her through an MOT :):

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Quantity   Article-Number   Description   Single Price
with tax   Sum
with tax
1.00   C09001   Transmission bearing rubber piece, left
Fiat 126 BIS   18.90 EUR   18.90 EUR
1.00   C09001/R   Transmission bearing rubber piece, right
Fiat 126 BIS   18.90 EUR   18.90 EUR
2.00   07010   Rubber boot for sliding piece
Fiat 500 F/R/126/126 BIS/600/850   0.60 EUR   1.20 EUR
2.00   07008/1   Axle boot with metal bushing and radial shaft seals
Fiat 500 R/126/126 BIS   5.90 EUR   11.80 EUR
1.00   C19076   Set of carburetor gaskets 30 S2 HR, with valve (large)
Fiat 126 BIS   19.50 EUR   19.50 EUR
1.00   C01021   Air filter element
Fiat 126 BIS   6.50 EUR   6.50 EUR
1.00   C01014   V-belt 10 x 725
Fiat 126 BIS   5.40 EUR   5.40 EUR
1.00   C17092   Registration plate lamp
Fiat 126 BIS   5.20 EUR   5.20 EUR
Sum   87.40 EUR
Sum to 19.00 %   87.40 EUR
VAT included 19.00 %   13.95 EUR
Total Sum   87.40 EUR


1 x rear fog light = €4.00
1 x Mandatory equipment bag = €12.00
1 x master cylinder seals = €4.00
8 x plastic screw short = €2.40
4 x plastic screw long = €1.20
2 x direction lamp and tail lamp clamp = €0.50
1 x bulb 21W = €0.35
1 x lense of inside lamp = €1.20
1 x reverse light = €4.00
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Total with postage: €50

Also ordering a solid copper head gasket from Polish 126 forum member for 100zl (none of these copper faced athena things!) of 0.5mm (the thin ness scares me with the existing leak on the block/jacket (which i'm going to have to sort out... but the car runs great really :))... but hoping the copper will make a better seal for one!

Heres a couple of videos of the engine running smoke free!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUew7c0dIGw[/youtube]

And one from today with the air filter attached... to make sure its still running when I come to it :D

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TGMiX8tRwg[/youtube] - Ticking over nicely :).

Can't figure out whats going on from cold start and on choke with the carb though... to start I need to apply full choke and depress the pedal a few times while cranking. The engine will then run for a few seconds, RPM will usually climb then fall to a stop for a few turns of the key... Blipping the throttle a little at the right time seems to help to get her running and stops the engine rpm falling to a complete stall whilst on full choke but it the engine RPM does then hunt up and down for a while until the car has warmed up. Once warm it ticks over like a beauty as seen/heard in the videos. Anyone got any ideas?
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Re: My 1992 126 BIS restoration project
« Reply #74 on: August 31, 2014, 08:34:11 PM »
to start with the engine sounds good :good:.
as with the choke thing, when you press the accelerator it injects fuel down the carb and that obviosly make it richer but with full choke that should not be nessasary so i'm not fully shore whats happening with that.

hopefully that helps a little. try adjusting the idle mixture screw if you have to.

Mike