Author Topic: FIAT FIRE ENGINES? (Read 12090 times)

Paulh81 · « **on:** February 11, 2008, 11:17:21 PM »

Hi, i was wondering if i could swap my zastava 750's (fiat 600) engine for a fiat fire engine as i have herd they are the same, is this correct? i was hoping to install a 1.1 maybe a 1.2? if any1 has any info on this it would be much appriciated... THX

MaLi · « **Reply #1 on:** February 12, 2008, 02:10:51 PM »

Hi,

Fiat fire engine is newer construction than you 750 so it will now be plug and play.

Much easier conversion would be to use fiat 127/uno/panda/cinquecento 903cc engine as this should generally be the same engine. What you should check in the first place is the direction which your engine is reving. As far as I know fiat 600 had engine reving in left, but zastava 750 in right direction (same as 903 and fire and many others). If that is the case you can start looking for 903cc engine, preferably from early 127 as they had 47hp :cool:

Cheers,

Mali

Paulh81 · « **Reply #2 on:** February 12, 2008, 05:35:53 PM »

sweet, i will look into that, with the car being so light compared to the 127 it should fly, as it has no interior and i plan on putting little back in.

Paulh81 · « **Reply #3 on:** February 12, 2008, 07:15:50 PM »

I was thinking more along the lines of a Fire 903cc out of a cinq and then tuning it up... just so the zastava keeps up with modern traffic

Dont want a big Hp boost but a moderate one, as the zastava has just 30hp was looking to get 55 - 60hp

This is my engine bay:

Paulh81 · « **Reply #4 on:** February 13, 2008, 09:17:00 PM »

CAN ANY1 HELP?

PEDRO (PETER)

you only live a few miles away, and you know a thing or two about engine swaps dont you? thx

Pete126 · « **Reply #5 on:** February 13, 2008, 09:58:47 PM »

Have PM you

ChrisRLewis · « **Reply #6 on:** February 13, 2008, 09:59:23 PM »

What was wrong with the 903cc suggestion? sounds good to me! or if you are more adventurous go for the fire engine, which is a very nice motor!

Paulh81 · « **Reply #7 on:** February 13, 2008, 10:05:37 PM »

903cc sounds fab! just need a little more info on hw to do it, thats all, thanks

ChrisRLewis · « **Reply #8 on:** February 14, 2008, 12:29:50 AM »

First thing I would do is do what Mali says, check the engine rotation direction? If it does rotate anti-clockwise I think you will have problems with any conversion?

Paulh81 · « **Reply #9 on:** February 14, 2008, 04:08:53 PM »

checked today, got the zastava started and everything seems to rotate clockwise! however i have a problem with my starter motor, ive posted it in the probs area. thx

Pete126 · « **Reply #10 on:** February 14, 2008, 08:34:12 PM »

If it was me i'd go for the 999cc sohc fire assuming the bellhouse pattern is the same or if its possible to swop the bellhousing on the zas gearbox, the 903 ohv usually sounds like a tin of old nail unless you keep up with the tappets, (i had a 965cc 4x4) the fire engines run alot smoother and quieter and also rev easier.

Paulh81 · « **Reply #11 on:** February 14, 2008, 09:41:46 PM »

yeah id really like a 999cc and tune its knuts off!! theres an abarth style OMP exhaust ive seen that fits all 4 cyn fiat engines, this with an induction kit would be sweet, ill find out what i can use first, maybe swap the zastava box with a 5 speed? you never know?

Paulh81 · « **Reply #12 on:** February 25, 2008, 06:10:54 PM »

Hows about an x19 engine, there rear engines which fit into a tight bay??? nitro could not help me, so does any1 have any idea how much work would be needed

thx

fightingtorque · « **Reply #13 on:** June 24, 2008, 10:52:33 PM »

On the cinqs, the FIRE engines are 1108cc 54hp, there is also a 1242cc version in the punto that is the same overall size but slightly taller, available as a 60hp single point injection, 75hp multipoint or 90 hp 16 valve. Newest 1400cc eg panda 100hp also have similar overall dimensions. I have a standard cinq sporting and I think its a great and durable engine, although I generally intend to go 1242+ turbo when I get around to it.

If there isn't room to keep that radiator, think about a front radiator conversion. I haven't noticed this being a common theme with the 126 bis guys but I was into Imps years ago and it was the only sensible solution to the cooling. Just means putting a radiator where the spare wheel was and venting the front panel and either the spare wheel well or the bonnet to let the air in then out. Some plumbing involved and you end up with quite a bit of heat inside the car as you have a pair of large hot water pipes running through the cabin.

Another point on this thread is the question of engine rotation. I don't know if this will work with the fiat transaxle, but another thing the imp people did was turn the transaxle upside down to reverse the direction. In their case it was because some people turned the whole engine/transaxle installation around to create a mid engined car but you then have to flip the transaxle upside down to correct the direction (4 forward and 1 reverse gear). Needs some consideration about the oil filling, draining and venting of course.

That's about all I have to say about that.......