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Fiat 126 Chat => Your Restorations => Topic started by: dadandlad on March 05, 2015, 10:30:09 PM
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Here are a few pictures of the Bis I bought from my son in law
I cannot believe it but there doesn't appear to be any rot even after crawling all over it
Still not sure what year it is as still haven't got the log book
I have boxes and boxes of parts with it which I have taken home to start and clean
The car is being stored at a friends where I can work on it
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Looks in a really good shape.
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Bit of a update, I have now got the car at home which makes life a lot easier
This evening dropped all the front suspension in preparation for shot blast and powder coating and all new metalastik bushes
Love the simplicity and ease of working on it ;D
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Just got the log book and she was born in 1990 in Somerset
Got a load of old receipts, MOT certificates etc
Unfortunately the engine is in boxes and quite a lot of it is missing ie pistons and rods camshaft etc etc
So possibly on the look out for a spare engine
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Dropped all rear suspension and got it all stripped down into component form
Replaced all the brake pipes with Kunifer
What a job stripping one of the king pins but got it to shift eventually, king pins need a good polish in the lathe and will also make some new bushes out of phosphor bronze
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Front spring stripped down de-scaled new eye bushes fitted and rebuilt
Master cylinder removed ready for new one
Steering rack removed ready for painting
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Well got all my suspension parts back from the powder coaters [Less than a week brilliant service]
New king pin bushes fitted
Still need to press all suspension bushes back into housings
Decided to do a little work on the gearbox so fit new inner drive shaft seals and also input shaft seal
The clutch release arm was partially seized in the bushes and proved to be a real nightmare to remove but got there in the end
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Great work :D I'm thinking of doing the very same with my rear arms. Did they blast them first before they powder coated them? And if you don't mind me asking what sort price was it?
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Cheers Gadge
I had the rear arms and mounting brackets, four back plates, rear springs, all front suspension (not spring) blasted and coated for £70.00 inc VAT
The firm I used and can highly recommend is
Specialised Coatings Limited
Mile Cross Works
Gibbet Street
Halifax
HX1 4JQ
01422 356752
Yes everything is blasted before coating
The trick to getting a good price is to have them put through with other batches of the same colour thus saving them changing colours
I also masked everything I didn't want blasted with a good thick layer of Duck tape
I will try and get some pictures of the completed parts later on today
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Pictures would be great :) £70 is a lot less than I thought. Ild like to do the rear arms and just the front upper wishbones. I have a powder coaters just around the corner from me so I'll ask them what they think but I'll use the £70 as a bench mark
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Here are a few pictures of powder coated parts I didn't want to unwrap everything so just a sample
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Great job! They look fantastic :)
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Wow! They look amazing! Did they do all the prep work aswell for £70?
Dom
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Yes took a pile of rusty parts and that's how they came back ;D
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Awesome! I'll give my locals a call then, bugger doing the work myself and painting them for £70!
Dom
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Things are going a little slow at the moment as the wife has broken her ankle and we are on standby for her to go into hospital for a plate fitting.
So just getting the odd hour in here and there
I have got the front suspension back together now and waiting for brake return springs to turn up and then the front end will be complete
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Old and new
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Managed to do a bit today and got the OSR arm built up
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Is that a new arm or did you have the old one blasted?
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Old arm blasted and powder coated
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Well I haven't posted about my Bis for a while but I have been quietly working away on her
I have spent quite a lot of my time sanding the bodywork ready for paint but no pictures as yet
You may also recall the engine came in boxes and had a lot of parts missing, well I managed to find a engine for spares which was nearly as bad when taken apart
Well I bit the bullet and purchased a new engine block and spent a lot of time cleaning and polishing the remainder and have now hopefully got a decent engine
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Engines looking good mate, putting mine to shame and making me want to clean/paint mine up lol
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At long last I feel like I am making progress
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That looks fantastic work! :D it must be such a buzz seeing a freshly painted shell ready for parts. Glad the resto is still going strong ;D
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Excellent work. Well done. Simon
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That's looking excellent! well done :good: P.S. Will it be ready for Friday Evening :P
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Well done, Mark, you're doing a cracking job, I'm really looking forward to seeing this 126 back on the road! ;D
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cracking work love it!
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Thanks everyone for the kind comments
it must be such a buzz seeing a freshly painted shell ready for parts. Glad the resto is still going strong
Yes it is a real buzz and a real motivator. I hadn't posted for a while as there wasn't really much to see
Will it be ready for Friday Evening
I wish, doors, bonnet and tailgate still to paint but we are leaving them until I need them so as they don't get damaged
I'm really looking forward to seeing this 126 back on the road!
Cheers Gary really looking forward to it myself
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I will start with a couple of disasters :(
The pictures you see of the car in paint are the ones I was sent by Dave who painted the car for me, when he sent them he did say the colour was different but I thought nothing of it as I suspected the original colour had faded
When I went to pick her up I was so disappointed for the first half an hour or so as the colour is nothing like original
The paint was ordered to the correct paint code by myself so I know it was ordered correctly so I will be going to have a word with supplier to see what has gone wrong
After I had looked round her for a good half hour and got over the initial shock I really warmed to the new colour it is a fantastic shade of Turquoise and really suits the car :D
My friends who have seen it are amazed at the colour and think it is far better than original
I have tried to photograph her but I am finding it nearly impossible to capture the colour
The second disaster happened when I dropped the engine when refitting it and broke the thermostat housing which I have now swapped
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lovely job and colour
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That's what my engine looked like a few years ago ;D Nice Job :thumbup
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A few more pictures from today
I could do with a new rubber elbow that connects the air cleaner to the carb if anyone knows where to obtain one
I still haven't managed to capture the true colour in these pictures it looks the same colour as Chris's car but in reality is nothing like :)
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That is looking really smart! Great job - really enjoyed the pictures :D
Bet you can't wait for the first drive!
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Not as much progress as I would have liked this week as I was sent to Palma to sort out a ASU (air start unit) at the airport, sat on top of a 585 HP 2 stroke diesel running at full chat with 34 degrees ambient air temp not much fun.
Anyway I digress
Can anyone tell me what the five square holes are for on the rear panel as I don't seem to be able to find anything that is missing ?
Chocolate Orange in picture is food for thought ;)
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Still stuck for rubber elbow on carb if anyone can help please
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It's for a number plate holder they should have little square plastic inserts in them for you to screw a number holder on to
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Cheers Gadge
I did wonder if that was there purpose but with them not being equally spaced I wasn't too sure
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Yeah it's a bit of an overkill for just a number plate ;D
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Well once again progress has been brought to a halt due to work, currently in Poland working on Polish Air Force deicers
The people here cannot believe anyone would want to restore a 126, I have only seen two so far neither of them on the road but unloved and rusty in a garden
On the upside we got to look around a few MIG 29 and they put on a spectacular low level show from which my ears are still ringing
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Been up to see this car today, and I can say its brilliant! Can't wait for next years shows!
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Cheers Chris
Also looking forward to next year
Managed to get a little bit done last weekend
Changed gearbox oil for the correct grade of 80/90 mineral oil
Stripped and rebuilt dodgy starter motor
Fitted a new set of points and condenser and timed engine up again hopefully I can get it running correctly this weekend as it doesn't want to run with choke fully closed
Revs up cleanly but no tickover
Also got my wheels back from powder coating and fitted five new tyres Yokohama Blue Earth 145/70 R13s
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Looking good 8)
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Looking great :thumbup the tick over could be that the mixture screw needing to be turned out a few turns. If your happy with the mixture then try the idle speed screw :)
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Dad, let us know if you get any rubbing on the arches at the front with those 145/70/13's. They are 7mm taller than standard.
I am thinking of fitting some 155/65/13's (6mm taller than standard) on some 5J rims and they have a similar circumference as your ones.
Just tried out some 165/65/13's and they rub every time you go over a bumb in the road. (13mm taller than standard)
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Just tried out some 165/65/13's and they rub every time you go over a bumb in the road. (13mm taller than standard)
Must be the alloys you have that have a bigger offset or something as the 165/65/13 on standards i have don't rub.
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Thanks for all your kind comments
Finally got some me time and made some forward progress but unfortunately no pictures
Stripped and got the front and rear windscreen washer pumps working
Fit new speedometer drive cable after finding it was damaged behind the heater when i went to connect the washer jets.
Sorted out bad earth on rear lights
Fit rear number plate surround and plate
Bled cooling system
I have one problem that is taking some resolving, the carb setup
the tick over could be that the mixture screw needing to be turned out a few turns. If your happy with the mixture then try the idle speed screw
I can get her to tick over but not smoothly, the mixture screw doesn't alter anything at all looks like i may have to try Petes boil in a bag trick
Dad, let us know if you get any rubbing on the arches at the front with those 145/70/13's.
No problem, although there does look to be plenty of clearance as she is now sat with weight on the suspension
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Removed the carb today and stripped it down once again and put it in a pan of boiling water :o
Very little dirt came out of it, I also blew all the galleries and jets out with compressed air
I may have found the problem but cannot be sure until I refit it, the top gasket was on upside down so the cut out for the accelerator pump jet was bleeding air across into the wrong venturi ,bit of a long shot I know but it is the only thing I could put my finger on
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Well boiling and blowing out with airline didn't cure it >:(
Removed carb again and made two new base gaskets, refitted the carb and still no improvement
As a long shot i removed the jet with the large flat head from the side of the carb and replaced the O-Ring with a copper washer and low and behold it is a different engine now
It now ticks over nicely and the idle mixture screw does have a effeect on the running
Snap the throttle open and it picks up nicely
Hold the throttle mid position and it seems to be misfiring >:(
Seems like a bit more playing about is in order
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Just browsing the forum and low and behold my restoration has been owned at one time by another member on here, great stuff I can add a little to its history
http://club126uk.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=3628.msg23139#msg23139
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Nice, That was good hunting :good:
I bought mine from a forum member but i dont think they had it long, i might take a look if i can find any other owners of it on here, the 126 place to be :D
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Well I was supposed to change the coil springs on the front of my Fabia today but weather was awful with sleet and snow so played with the 126 in the garage instead
Managed to get quite a lot done and she is now nearing completion
Picture of her sat on the skates I made to stop her getting the new boots dirty :D no I really made them so I can shift her about easily
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Looks brilliant, Mark, can't wait to see it on the road this summer. The skates look cool as well, will have to get some of those myself! ;D
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Wow! Your Bis looks very good, but one thing I don't like ;)
Wheels would look better in gray :)
Color of the car is beautiful.
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Getting there
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Looks good Mark.
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Looking well bud :good:
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This car is driving me bonkers
Thought I had sorted out the rough running problem only for it to raise its ugly head again
In frustration I bought a 1-4 psi Facet electric fuel pump and fitted it a few weekends ago, bloody thing never knocked off and duly pumped engine full of fuel
Removed the Polish carb out of frustration after buying a overhaul kit and not using it and connected my Weber up loose on the engine block to make sure it wasn't going to flood the engine with fuel again
Fit the Weber and turned ignition on and it once again flooded the engine with fuel
So after changing the engine oil twice
Removed the electric pump and refitted the mechanical one and hey presto she was up and running on the Weber carb I had so many problems with.
With it running really nice I drove her up and down the street a few times and she behaved brilliantly
Putting her back in the garage I noticed a water leak coming from the radiator filler cap, so gave filler cap a tentative twist and it is under quite a lot of pressure but not overheating according to temp gauge
So looking like the head gasket has blown which is rather annoying
The engine block was new and the head when checked before fitting was within 0.001"of being flat so can only assume the gasket is a cheap and cheerful
So I have thrown the cover back over her for now
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Oh no :( they can be so fustrating >:( I have a facet style pump on mine but I modified the top of the carb with a return spout so fuel can vent down the return pipe and back into the tank as I was sceptical about the pump filling the bores up with fuel.
A compression test would confirm your head gasket but it does sound like its gone. My old engine blew its gasket 1000 miles after I fitted a new one! It never overheated on the gauge but the coolant would be under pressure as soon as I started it (the cooling system was filling up with exhaust fumes!! :o). I put it down to me not retightening the head bolts after 500 miles like I was supposed to do :$
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You've gotta wonder why the electric fuel pump didn't switch off when the float valve shut the supply of fuel? Either a faulty pump or the float needs adjusting?
Gadge, I've got a compression tester but I've never used it on my Bis - What would a healthy reading be? And what would you expect to see with a blown head gasket?
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Bambino, I don't actually know as I've never done it either :D but I guess the way to look at it would be to test both and see if one is lower
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Okay boys and girls finally got my mojo back and this week had the cylinder head off and back on
Started her up this morning and she has never run better revs cleanly and ticks over smoothly
Pretty certain the gasket kit has caused me major issues and hopefully I have put the problem to bed now
Still a few small jobs to sort out but shouldn't be too long before she is on the road
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Wel done, Mark, great that you've stuck with it, looking forward to a convoy later this year if it ever stops raining! ;D
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mojos have been lost my engine is sitting waiting for me to get my finger out lol well done
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Decided on Monday to get my finger out and get the Bis ready for its MOT test
Took her in for test Tuesday afternoon and she went straight through no advisories
Tuesday evening she has gone to her new owners my daughter and son in law where she originally came from
I still get to work on her and see her regularly but I don't have to drive her which I really didn't enjoy and I can now put my Seicento in the garage
Pretty certain son in law still has a account on here and has promised to keep you all updated
Thanks for all the help and encouragement along the way
Mark
I shall also be sticking around and helping out where possible
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I still get to work on her and see her regularly but I don't have to drive her which I really didn't enjoy
:o sacrilege!
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:yahoo: God send :P
If I had kept her she would not have got used, love how she looks hated the drive she has gone to a good home and will be used
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Did you get the 126 tracked up Mark? as they usually drive spot on :)
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Hi Pete
Yes I set the tracking with a set of borrowed units, don't get me wrong it drives great for what it is just not my cup of tea
Put me behind the wheel of the Seicento and I love it
Horses for courses I suppose
Danny and Samantha absolutely love it and have been all over the place in her today
I had thought of putting another garage up and keeping her but in my heart of hearts know it would have sat there not getting used
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They are definatly an aquired taste and I know what you mean about the seicento too! I had one and loved it! So much so ild have another if one tempted me :)