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Welcome to the CLUB126UK Forum => Introduce Yourself => Topic started by: apyza on February 10, 2015, 08:21:57 PM
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Hi,
I just got my beauty shipped. Its from 85'
I want to MOT it but I was told that I need to change my headlamps to UK, so I am a bit stuck now
Does anyone knows anything about it? Where can I get those?
Please advice because I cant wait to take it on the road :-D
Thank you
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Hi Apyza, :welcome to the forum, according to the MOT manual [Click HERE] (http://www.motuk.co.uk/manual_180.htm) you don't need to change the headlights but you do need to stick beam deflectors on the headlight lens to comply with UK law ;)
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Thank you for your reply.
I told the guy in a garage that I am not sure if I need to change them but he doesnt want to do the MOT if I wont.
Bit tricky…:-(
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On the link above:
Masks or converter kits may be fitted to right hand dip headlamps to temporarily alter the lamp for use in the UK by removing the beam ‘kick-up’ to the right
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A headlamp altered in this way is not a reason for rejection,
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Welcome, cute little 126 :).
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:welcome
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Thanks guys :D
Pete I just ot the convertors to get through MOT but long run I would rather buy the headlamps. I had a look and cant really find any fiat126 RHD but found the Yugo 45
Do you think they would fit?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Yugo-45-Rectangle-Rally-Style-Driving-Lights-Lamps-/181586794746?_trksid=p2141725.m3641.l6368
Thank you
Aga
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Hi, welcome to the club, unfortunately, Lights are one of the 'rare' and more expensive parts of a 126, but yugo lights are supposed to fit, although, not the link above. I Know Bar Vitelli on the forums has some for sale but not sure how much he wants for them. Car looks nice, good luck!
Chris
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Damn :-(
Thank you DeVilleChris, I will contact Bar Vitelli
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Hi,
My FSM 1991 went through it's mot no problem with the beam benders on. Don't let the garage fob you off. Good luck with registering it in the UK!!!!
Nik
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Hi,
My LHD Fiat 126 had to have the stickers added to the headlights to pass its MOT.
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Welcome to the forum. Nice colour 126 you have there.
If you get stuck with the lights I do have some second hand rhd ones. They are not in great condition, but if you can`t get anything else you can always change the actual glass around.
However as the rest of the guys said, beam deflectors should be good enough for the MOT.
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Thank you guys
I just ordered the stickers. Fingers crossed
1973, thank you for your offer. I will get in touch if I wont be able to get any lights in the future :-)
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Hi Apyza, I had lots of RHD lights for sale but have sold them all. I should get some more stock in towards the end of March but in the meantime suggest that you take 1973/126 up on his offer of used ones. Hope that's okay, lovely car and great to see you on the forum! ;D
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Spoke to the garage again and the guy said that he will get it through MOT with the stickers but in order to register it with DVLA I need the lights changed anyway? He said its a different type of MOT.
I am not sure if he knows what he is talking about... ::)
When I called DVLA they never mentioned any alteration or different MOT
Any thoughts?
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Try a different garage. ;)
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Hi Apyza! This UK company has your lights in stock. ;D
http://www.ricambio.co.uk/69-fiat/72-classic-fiat-126-parts/154-lights-lamps--lenses
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Forgot to add. Chose the H4 type. They are modified to take the later, much brighter headlight bulbs. They have 4 in stock when I checked a few mins ago!
www.ricambio.co.uk is a very good source of parts and panels! ;D
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Apyza... You may also have to sort your speedo from KPH to MPH if it doesn't show both. If its only in KPH, You will need a new clock or a stick over conversion. It will fail the MOT at most MOT stations. A few would let it through but most wont. ;D
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Those light from Ricambio are LHD, so would be just the same. Stickers on the speedo would do the trick. That`s how I`ve done it before.
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Didnt know I need a speedo conversion. Could any of you send me a link from where can I buy some stick overs?
Regards to the light. Yea buying the LHD lights wouldnt make sense, but if any of you finds RHS I would appreciate it :)
Thank you
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From what I can see, reading the Government's own publication giving guidance to MoT testers, there is NO mention of what a speedometer tells you. The specific requirement is (this is copied directly from Driver & Vehicle Standards Agency - Categorisation of defects, published 1 September 2014, full link here: https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/347831/Categorisation-of-defects.pdf) - see page 38 for cars but it's the same for trucks and all other groups of vehicle too:
Speedometer
Speedometer not fitted/ incomplete/inoperative/
dial glass broken/ missing/cannot be illuminated
Umm... that's it. There is NO mention that the scale must be marked in any particular way, or in mph rather than kph. And certainly no mention that marking in other than mph is a fail point.
However, an Honest John thread from 2002 (full link here: http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=7201) contains this item:
Motor Vehicles (Con & Use) Regs, 1986 Reg 35
Motor Vehicle shall be fitted with a speedometer which, if the vehicle was first used on or after 1.4.1984, shall be capable of indicating speed in BOTH miles per hour and kilometers per hour, either simultaneously or, by the operation of a switch separately.
This leads to the interesting anomaly that technically a KPH-only speedo should not be cause to fail the MoT (allegedly an indication of roadworthiness) whilst actually using such a vehicle on the public road would be illegal because by not complying with the Contruction and Use regs the vehicle is deemed to be UNroadworthy...
Such is the working of the government mind.
Summary: sorry, you do need a mph speedometer.
(next topic - would a separately mounted GPS-based speedometer (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/like/221587766579?limghlpsr=true&hlpv=2&ops=true&viphx=1&hlpht=true&lpid=108&chn=ps&device=c&adtype=pla&crdt=0&ff3=1&ff11=ICEP3.0.0-L&ff12=67&ff13=80&ff14=108) fit the bill ???)
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Summary: sorry, you do need a mph speedometer
Bummer :-(
Seems things are piling up every day…
The GPS speedomeret is brilliant but very pricey for what it does. Need to find cheaper solution if I want to invest in other things like headlamps.
Thank you drcdb15
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I was talking to the chap who services my 'main' cars earlier this week. He has been in the trade for a good number of years and been building up his business steadily, really reliable and honest, and he was talking about the way the ever-encroaching digitisation of servicing, MoT testing and so on is slowly but surely having an effect on driving out the cowboys and dodgy scams etc (remember the old pads of blank MoT certificates? He reckons they used to get nicked and sold down the pub for £50 per sheet. At 100 sheets per pad, that single pad was worth £5K on the black market).
(Stay with me, there *is* a point to this waffle!)
One of the things he told me is that MoT testing is now linked IN REAL TIME to the main VOSA/DVSA computers, and their inspectors drive around the country checking up on garages. When a car is up for MoT test (sorry all you up to speed guys and gals who already know all this) the tester has to enter the reg number into the computer. The inspectors know how long each part of the test takes, and what order the test should be done in. So they sit outside in their car, monitoring the unsuspecting MoT tester as his test car goes through each stage...
Let's suppose that after X minutes the tester should have the car hooked up to the exhaust gas analyser. At X minutes, in walks Mr Inspector, unannounced, to check that the test car really is hooked up, and not the nice shiny new car parked next to it, to give a clean 'pass' reading...
If the inspector finds the right car isn't being tested, or finds something not going according to the prescribed procedure, the garage can lose its MoT test licence on the spot.
The net result of this tightening up is that (except for remote Scottish islands where the Inspector would be seen coming before he left the mainland!) MoT testers are sticking more and more rigidly to the letter of the law. Now, what has this got to do with your speedometer.... ?
My point is, one of the fail points is "not illuminated". A speedometer must be readable in the dark as well as daylight, and so the internal bulb must be working. But if you simply stick on a circular mph scale marked on a piece of card or other material that does not transmit light, then although you'll be able to see the speedo needle, in the dark you still won't be able to see what speed figure it's pointing at - and the MoT is a fail.
So as well as getting the scale marked in mph, you'll also need to ensure that there is some means by which it can be seen in the dark - some dedicated adjacent lamp like a number plate lamp, perhaps, but whatever it is, just sticking on a piece of white cardboard alone runs an increasing risk of being rejected.
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Here're some folks who might be able to help you (there may well be others, I just did a quick Google on kph conversion kits): http://www.lockwoodinternational.co.uk/dials-for-imported-vehicles-c53.html
You'll note that simply sticking a scale onto the glass of the speedo isn't good enough - it has to be stuck onto the original speedo face INSIDE the glass, so as to be 'durable'. The upside, of course, is that doing this will in the process take care of the illumination problem too!
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And here are some folks who probably can NOT help you: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SPEEDO-OVERLAY-CONVERSION-KIT-STICKERS-MPH-or-KPH-WHITE-SPEEDOMETER-DIALS/291377224820?_trksid=p2054897.c100204.m3164&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20140407115239%26meid%3D2c463b2c5c1a4d3ea9fd0712e95cfb9d%26pid%3D100204%26rk%3D2%26rkt%3D29%26sd%3D201097344248
You'll see that they say their labels can just be stuck onto the glass of the speedo - as I've suggested before, this risks not being properly illuminated, and also may fail for not being 'durable'...
so use at your own risk. Just because others have successfully used this technique in the past is no guarantee it will be acceptable to the MoT tester in the future.
Good luck in finding a solution!
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My car went through with KPH clocks???
Bearing in mind the whole free movement of goods/people EU stuff i don't think we can penalise our friends from over the channel because they are using metric speed measurements lol.
As the other guys have said try a different garage as c;early the guy is not happy about taking on a LHD MOT.
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Hi my car went trought with Polish registration and KPH speedo. You DO NOT have to convert for MPH.
Just fitted RHD headlight because had them on stock, but MOT garage told me that LHD is not a problem just need to deliver stickers and they will stick for me.
After received MOT certificate with chassis number on it this is important thing.
Call DVLA they will send you registration pack
login to HM Revenue & Customs and declare your car arrived to UK (remember after declare date you should register within 14days)
send documents to DVLA with tax payment on front and around £55 fee
Wait around 2 weeks you receive V5C,
make registration plates and job done, your 126 on the road.
good luck!
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From the DVLA web site:
2. Exemptions from vehicle approval
You don’t need vehicle approval for:
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cars and minibuses with 8 passenger seats or less (not including the driver) over 10 years old.....
There seem to be various exemptions, certainly for temporary imports. It may be that because your car was still on Polish plates it was treated as a temporary import. It used to be that a car had to be registered for a UK plate within the first 6 months of importing, and at that stage it is regarded as a British car, not a foreign one temporarily being used here. As such it would have to comply with British regulations, not the ones applying in the country of manufacture.
As far as the OP is concerned, the ten years limit seems to be the most important factor, since over 10 years old does not require an IVA test. However, finding out what it DOES require seems tricky to say the least. Official advice seems to be "if you import from within the EU, contact DVLA" and "if you import from outside the EU, contact VOSA".
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Hi my car went trought with Polish registration and KPH speedo. You DO NOT have to convert for MPH.
Just fitted RHD headlight because had them on stock, but MOT garage told me that LHD is not a problem just need to deliver stickers and they will stick for me.
After received MOT certificate with chassis number on it this is important thing.
Call DVLA they will send you registration pack
login to HM Revenue & Customs and declare your car arrived to UK (remember after declare date you should register within 14days)
send documents to DVLA with tax payment on front and around £55 fee
Wait around 2 weeks you receive V5C,
make registration plates and job done, your 126 on the road.
Hi,
One of the members kindly sold me speedmeter and headpamps. (thank you 1973/126) so that shoudnt be the issue now…
Do I need the insurance certificate to send to the DVLA?
Also I did register with customs and there wasnt any tax to pay but I only have an email confirming my application and no other paperwork. Is that enough for DVLA?
Thank you
A
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Hi
Yes DVLA just need confirmation number from Customs, there is no charge or fees when declare as this is your own vehicle, so you not trading as business.
Sorry but can not remember about insurance as I have been sent my certificate with all paper work, but as i remember they not asked about this.
The worst scenario just get insurance for VIN chassis number (do not worry about number plates yet) most insurance companies accept this and give you 30days to get UK registration Number Plates (The registration process should not be longer than 14days)
If you already registered with customs, you need to start registration process now as there is limited time.
Thanks and good luck!
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Hello All,
So my Maluch didnt pass MOT. Booo :-( The headlamps and speedometer did good but it was the suspention arm and fog light switch that let me down. I found some new ones on Polish ebay and currntly in the middle of discussion on shipping costs. All should be good. Its a fraction what I would pay in UK for it but hopefuly it will all come in time for next MOT
Wish me luck
A
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Oh that`s bad news :(.
What was wrong with the suspension arm? Is it corrosion? Is it the rear one? And are you sure it`s the fog light switch at fault?
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Hi,
to be honest could have been worse. I bought it in Poland via just an ad and shipped it here without even seeing it, so to be fair I didnt know what condition it is in until I saw it. The switch is not at fault. Its just missing, so ordered one on ebay.
The arm is corroded. Rear left. But also shock absorber might be at risk when he will be fitting the arm. He warned me that the cap might break as its all corroded ? (I might be translating it to English wrongly) To be on the safe side I will get the shock absorber as well.
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Hi
I have got some brand new old stock rear arms cheap or just solid used ones. Also switch this is also cheap can do next day delivery so you can get your bits on tuesday if thats helps. ReTest time is 10days only and they will charge you for full test again. cheers.
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So after a mission of repairing the car for MOT retest it finnaly passed (in the process the doors fell off and had to be welded!) I send off all documents to DVLA and suprise suprise they rejected my application!!
On a basis that I didnt attached origional registration documents! WHICH I DID!
because my insurance company gave me only 2 weeks temporary insurance till I supply them with my new registration I will now have to pay again for extending it.I send all the documents recorded next day delivery which is now a wasted money as well. Upon ringning them they said to send all this back again to them, but I have no confidence that it will be processed.
Did they expected the documents to be in a English?....
Should I be translating it so they know what they are looking at?
Any of you had any issues with registration?
Thank you
Aga