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Fiat 126 Chat => Your Restorations => Topic started by: poxxxy on November 12, 2013, 05:59:48 PM
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Hi everyone,
So finally managed to move cars around on the drive into a more workable position and get some pics sorted of the car finally.
I'm hoping you guys won't mind playing a name that part/whats missing game by looking at the pictures? I'm unsure on what parts I may be missing...
I can see we have a broken thermostat housing lying in the boot. And from what I can see there isn't one installed on the engine in the position I think it should be?
I also think there is a bracket on the exhaust thats not bolted on properly... Am I missing a cap from the distributor? Where does the earth strap bolt up? lol.
I know i'm asking alot of you guys, but it would be greatly appreciated.
Anyway, heres the copious amount of imagery and puzzle solving. :).
The car:
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/leftview_zpsaf299bf7.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/leftview_zpsaf299bf7.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/interiorshot_zps65141e77.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/interiorshot_zps65141e77.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/leftwingfrontdamage_zpse60ab9ce.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/leftwingfrontdamage_zpse60ab9ce.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/frunk_zps0b91960a.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/frunk_zps0b91960a.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/rearopenboot_zps723686b1.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/rearopenboot_zps723686b1.jpg.html)
Random bits in the boot:
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/randombootparts2_zps7f98ea4c.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/randombootparts2_zps7f98ea4c.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/randombootparts4_zps35a08cd7.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/randombootparts4_zps35a08cd7.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/randombootparts3_zpsfd41fdc9.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/randombootparts3_zpsfd41fdc9.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/randombootparts1_zps67b8491f.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/randombootparts1_zps67b8491f.jpg.html)
Boot+Engine Area
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/boot_zps68c60e60.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/boot_zps68c60e60.jpg.html)
Whats missing here then eh?
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/engine_zps48f2818d.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/engine_zps48f2818d.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/distributorcap_zpsb11eebda.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/distributorcap_zpsb11eebda.jpg.html)
Cooling rad switch and under air box missing?
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/coolingfanswitch_zpse64822ec.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/coolingfanswitch_zpse64822ec.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/underairfilter_zpsd8e6fa50.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/underairfilter_zpsd8e6fa50.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/underairfilter2_zpsb93af4f4.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/underairfilter2_zpsb93af4f4.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/underairfilter1_zps7171d6c5.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/underairfilter1_zps7171d6c5.jpg.html) - thread sizes perhaps anyone?
Earth strap that goes somewhere and a plug missing?
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/earthstraphtleadandmissingsparkplug_zps1982c03d.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/earthstraphtleadandmissingsparkplug_zps1982c03d.jpg.html)
Alternator and connectors for starter perhaps?
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/alternatorandstartercables_zps2c652940.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/alternatorandstartercables_zps2c652940.jpg.html)
Radiator fan and piping... whats going on here?
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/coolingfanandhoses_zps9d476cc3.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/coolingfanandhoses_zps9d476cc3.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/coolingfanarea_zps337cbdd4.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/coolingfanarea_zps337cbdd4.jpg.html)
Exhaust bracket that needs bolting up?
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/exhaustbrackettobebolted_zps4f52b476.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/exhaustbrackettobebolted_zps4f52b476.jpg.html)
Connector on offside (drivers rhd), unsure on where its meant to go :).
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/connectiononrightofenginebay_zps4547a669.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/connectiononrightofenginebay_zps4547a669.jpg.html)
Really appreciate it if I can get some help on my guesses and an experienced eye to see what i'm missing and need to hook up :). Hope everyone is well, wish me luck getting her back on the road.
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The thermostat is at the bottom passenger side of the engine. Without taking photos of my car I can't tell you where the earth strap bolts on exactly. The connector may be for the solenoid kicker, but i cannot tell from the photos.
It might be easier to become a subscriber, the manuals cover pretty much everything.
Marc
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I plan on becoming a subscriber asap, :). I'm unsure on where the piping on the passenger side of the car should be or if its even on correctly because they don't seem to correspond anywhere.
I think i'm missing the bottom half of the air box to. But without having taken it apart myself in the first instance, and without having even seen a 126 in the flesh through my 25 years on the earth its difficult to know what and where to look for things! I've checked out a few images and that on other bis sites but they don't help much. Even looking at EPER is a little strange and i'm not sure if its correct although it should be!
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Payment sent for subscribing if any mods are about :D.
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Well... finally got round to sourcing a few parts for the bis.
Got a nice new oil radiator cap, distributor cap (think I need the clips for it though!), air box and heating radiator junction :). Thanks to fischer in Germany and 126fan for the help and a polish friend for sourcing lots of useful information for me!
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Just realised I've not updated this in a while!
Well... the car hadn't had the head done, as soon as I got it plumbed up I had to get another order over to Axel Gerstl for the copper head gasket, valve stem seals and a few others bits and pieces (mainly seals if I rememebr right. lol.) We removed the head and took it to a local engine repair center to have the head taken stripped and skimmed for £60 :). Whilst this was being done, I actually ordered a CC700 head (big valves) but I decided to fit the skimmed head in the end... whilst I think about possibly tuning the CC700 head and fabricating a custom inlet for bigger carbs or perhaps a turbo!? lol. But for now I just want her on the road in stock form to get a feel for her and see what to do.
Had some teething problems and trouble getting her started but after adjusting points gap and setting timing correctly (after much previous work) she fired into life and purrs along nicely now!
The contacts on the rear lights connectors are bad causing all kind of behaviour... so I need to try and clean up the crimps I think inside the connector... wish me luck there. The circuit boards all ok.... and unfortunately the cheap plastic screws heads and lenses took some damage in removal (shattered to pieces through age and hot and old over time!) So I need to come up with a solution for there.
I had the carb apart whilst trying to fix the choke butterfly mechanism (ended up just removing it for now, no problem starting by caching the choke at just the right point)... and it all looks very clean inside.
I stripped the airfilter housing and repainted it along with the top of the carb to give the engine bay a much tidier look... and it definately has.
I bought some steelies and tyres from wsmitwil to replace the seicento sporting alloys for a much better fitment and no scrub... also bought some new locator pins for the rear drums with the latest order which also included a kingpin repair set which were put in over the last couple of evenings along with 3 new bushes either side. Rubbers are dry and cracked on the shock but they'll do for the time being.
I almost forgot the fuel tank also came off due to air getting into the system and stopping the pump from operating correctly (electronic one does sound a nice future option!), we replaced fuel lines and I also removed all flaking paint and gave it a coat in hammerite. Not to mention the nuts/studs that broke off whilst removing the tank (2 out of 3!), that was fun to fix on the floor :).
Now almost ready to get her MOT'd!
Some pictures...
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140514_152014_zpsdba873d0.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140514_152014_zpsdba873d0.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140514_152022_zps5cff2218.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140514_152022_zps5cff2218.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140627_170832_zps7a3ac596.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140627_170832_zps7a3ac596.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140630_213522_zps9ff63fd0.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140630_213522_zps9ff63fd0.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140630_114235_zpsb9c64698.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140630_114235_zpsb9c64698.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140412_143015_zps4ee6e6bd.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140412_143015_zps4ee6e6bd.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140412_142953_zpsd6fbf3b8.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140412_142953_zpsd6fbf3b8.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140410_140302_zpsc9be98f7.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140410_140302_zpsc9be98f7.jpg.html)
Freshly skimmed:
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140412_142053_zps1b33990d.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140412_142053_zps1b33990d.jpg.html)
New water junction from poland (bargain!):
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140324_120556_zps1c39f22e.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140324_120556_zps1c39f22e.jpg.html)
Gearbox cover prior to being stripped and painted (forgot to get pics of it painted along with the rest :)):
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140324_134432_zps74dbdc37.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140324_134432_zps74dbdc37.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140428_151815_zpsb69fcf4a.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140428_151815_zpsb69fcf4a.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140428_152924_zps9c9d9100.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140428_152924_zps9c9d9100.jpg.html)
Here is a video of the engine running for the first time prior to setting timing with a light!
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/th_bisengine_zpsfafea7a8.jpg) (http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/bisengine_zpsfafea7a8.mp4)
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nice 1 looking good owen nw :o ;)
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:good: nice
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Nice work bud....... Sounds a little rattley though? Did you set the tappers up when refitting the head?
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Yeah your not wrong, we did set the tappets... badly though it seems. :). Today I decided it was time to get some more done to get it half way to passing an MOT... began by sorting out the connectors on the rear lights as the pins needed bending to make a better contact, still need to get reverse lights and fog lights working though! After getting this sorted I decided it was time to finally take that back panel off for the first time... very easy considering half the nuts were missing!
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/enginebay2_zps6e61d1ad.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/enginebay2_zps6e61d1ad.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/enginebay_zps012f42bf.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/enginebay_zps012f42bf.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/backpanelremoved2_zpsdd8f9f37.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/backpanelremoved2_zpsdd8f9f37.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/backpanelremoved3_zpse1bb2714.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/backpanelremoved3_zpse1bb2714.jpg.html)
We proceeded to take off the exhaust to see what was going on, there was some kind of rubbish filler and plenty of holes so my dad went about plating it up... I didn't care too much about it being tidy, just functional and after getting it back on... its much quieter! :).
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/exhaustbefore4_zpsab523079.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/exhaustbefore4_zpsab523079.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/exhaustbefore5_zpsd05a79ae.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/exhaustbefore5_zpsd05a79ae.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/exhaustprep_zps0647fb18.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/exhaustprep_zps0647fb18.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/exhaustafter2_zps9bcbb2bf.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/exhaustafter2_zps9bcbb2bf.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/exhaustafter3_zps5d4ddf6b.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/exhaustafter3_zps5d4ddf6b.jpg.html)
I set about cleaning the centrifugal oil filter and it was so caked in thick horrible black crap it was quite a painstaking job lol. Came up nicely though afterwards and got to use a new seal I ordered months back!
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/Dirtyoilfilter_zps7b934050.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/Dirtyoilfilter_zps7b934050.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/cleanedoilfilter2_zps1af1c716.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/cleanedoilfilter2_zps1af1c716.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/cleanedoilfilter1_zps32662085.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/cleanedoilfilter1_zps32662085.jpg.html)
We decided to take another look at the tappets and sorted them all out... on first run the tappety noise went completely but the timing was way out after the distributor got knocked when refitting the rear panel and engine mount and it was a struggle to start... whipped the strobe out and got it roughly timed back up and I couldn't resist taking it for a quick run to see how it behaved... I think the timing might not be set to the correct notch though still as my dad did it in a rush to get the drive back so will be taking another look tomorrow. But the tappets seem to be making a little noise again, although nowhere near where they were.
Seems to be a slight intermittent smoking at the minute... perhaps running too rich, but if the timings not right and we need to reset the idle rpm then it might be the cause? Hoping the new valve stem seals aren't naff :).
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Stripped it all down the other weekend then went camping... then had to wait for more parts to arrive! This evening I put a CC700 big valve head on and torqued it all up and installed the rocker/checked tappet clearances... Tomorrow i'll install the rest and plum it all back in, fire it up and see what happens!
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Alas more woes... wondering what to do with her at the minute. I've spent pretty much what I paid for the car trying to get it running and semi road worthy to even contemplate going for MOT (Not to mention the hours, oh the hours!). But the engine is giving me grief and great big clouds of whiteish smoke that smells like oil, and my dads convinced its oil from sticking rings or something along those lines.
Anyway since having the car had the original head skimmed and assembled with a copper head gasket... was running but not great, the car ran fine from cold but as soon as warm has issues with white/possibly slight hint of blue smoke pouring out the exhaust and when finally up to temperature wants to cut out and die and can only be held on for a little while with throttle. Timing the thing is a nightmare and sometimes I wonder if any adjustment I make will stay :). With the skimmed bis head compression was around 11-12:1 so quite high but seemed ok! Anyway in an attempt to try and fix the oil burning (perhaps?), I changed the head over (bought a new head gasket kit :(, that copper one was pricey!) with a CC700 one bought from Poland having replaced the valve stem seals on the CC700 head. Seems my dad got the valve clearance wrong on one of the cylinders exhaust valves and had readings of 0 on the compression tester. Now both cylinders are running at 9.5ish as expected but... the problems persist... engine cuts out when warm and while the engine heats up smoke being thrown out of the exhaust and up into the engine bay.
Really wondering what to do now... do I give up and sell her to someone?
Anyway decided to tot up what its cost me so far so here goes, a total of £875.65 and still at square one from when I bought the car for £450 from ebay.
November 2013
Bought Car on ebay £450
11/03/2014 - 126fan £10.82 / 12.50 euro with postage
Oil filler cap = €2.30
Distributor cap new type = €3.50
12/03/2014 - Fischer 500 £32.88 / 38 euro
Air filter housing
Water Junction Distributor
01/04/2014 - Axel Gerstl £40.44 / 47.10 euro
Exhaust Gaskets
Copper Head Gasket .8mm
Valve Cover Gasket
Oil Filler Gasket
Seal for Centrifugal Oil Filter
Valve Stem Seals
02/04/2014
New Water Junction £18
(allegro through a friend)
18/06/2013 - 126fan £36.57 / 44 euro with postage
4 x rear panel clamp V = €1.20
1 x kingpin repair kit= €13.00
2 x screw of- suspension pen mounting- lower = €1.20
2 x screw of vertical pin holder -upper = €1.20
2 x mounting of vertical pin = €6.00
2 x brake drum mounting bolts
1 x wheel bolt
11/07/2014 - Fischer 500 £82.12 / 99.50 euro
Valve Cover
Bis Contact Breaker
Bis Ignition Condenser
Gearbox Gasket Kit with oil-seal ring
Gasket kit for engine (big kit)
valve stem seals (micks garage - for cc700 head install)
£4.82 -
2 lots of 5l oil £20
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Well in an attempt to get to the bottom of things, decided to strip the engine down today and take a look at the piston rings... came to this:
Had the sump off today and pushed the pistons out... found some nasty looking rough surface on the cylinder 1 wall (unsure whats its been caused by, perhaps water/rust damage when the head previously died and overheated way before I bought it if water was sat in there? the head did warp on that side so might make sense?)... also the top edge of the piston may be slightly worn where it has been rubbing against... unsure if the piston rings are at blame to be honest, they seem ok unless they weren't span around the correct way to not allow blowby...
I'm wondering what the next steps are now! :). New block? Or can I get liners? Perhaps just honing it out... I don't know... :(. If I could find suitable pistons i'd have it bored out a little for some more displacement. Perhaps someone can help (and maybe might have an explanation)! :).
Attached pictures after another day of laboring away :).
Cylinder 1 Wall
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/cylinder11_zps3fbcb700.jpg~original) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/cylinder11_zps3fbcb700.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/cylinder12_zpsb6fb82a7.jpg~original) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/cylinder12_zpsb6fb82a7.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/cylinder13_zpsb95e0854.jpg~original) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/cylinder13_zpsb95e0854.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/cylinder14_zps2ebfd706.jpg~original) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/cylinder14_zps2ebfd706.jpg.html)
Cylinder 2 wall:
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/cylinder2_zps607f950b.jpg~original) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/cylinder2_zps607f950b.jpg.html)
Pistons (Cylinder 1 piston on the right):
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/2left1rightworntopedge2_zpsab381c46.jpg~original) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/2left1rightworntopedge2_zpsab381c46.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/2left1rightworntopedge_zpsd55996b9.jpg~original) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/2left1rightworntopedge_zpsd55996b9.jpg.html)
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Thinking about going all out at the minute...
Today I removed the block from the bell housing, found some damage to both the bell housing and the starter where the bottom right stud from the block goes through... totally missing. Is the starter meant to be like that?
Also the rear crank bearing sounds a little noisy to me.
So parts list so far:
Piston Rings
Con Rod Bearing Shells
Crankshaft Bearing
Tempted by:
Bigger lighter pistons (if I could find some suitable without going custom!)
Hot cam
Forged crank
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/20140806_191910_zps06a09aed.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/20140806_191910_zps06a09aed.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/20140806_191928_zps4bedad36.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/20140806_191928_zps4bedad36.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/20140806_191936_zps207ff54e.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/20140806_191936_zps207ff54e.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/20140806_191942_zps18dd9f5b.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/20140806_191942_zps18dd9f5b.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/20140806_191957_zps7f5ce9e9.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/20140806_191957_zps7f5ce9e9.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/20140806_192011_zps6d8a1afd.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/20140806_192011_zps6d8a1afd.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/20140806_192020_zpsb0589dcf.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/20140806_192020_zpsb0589dcf.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/20140806_192026_zps069f3dfb.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/20140806_192026_zps069f3dfb.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/20140806_192122_zpscb5f9af0.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/20140806_192122_zpscb5f9af0.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/20140806_192130_zps796144a4.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/20140806_192130_zps796144a4.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/20140806_192316_zps7184a9a0.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/20140806_192316_zps7184a9a0.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/20140806_192332_zps1ebac5f0.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/20140806_192332_zps1ebac5f0.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/20140806_192726_zpsaf83bc1b.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/20140806_192726_zpsaf83bc1b.jpg.html)
Most of the engine and ancillaries in a box (where they may stay!? hopefully not :).):
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/20140806_192730_zps958a24af.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/20140806_192730_zps958a24af.jpg.html)
If rebuilding the engine, best to do it in style while its in pieces... but could be an expensive lump of useless metal at the end of it :( lol. smallcox offered his time/balancing services if I manage to come up with something to take to him! No replacement for displacement though and sounds so tempting to go down that route if possible!
Alternatively, if I could find a brand new engine like Lupo TDI over on vwvortex i'd travel to Poland/Italy in my golf to pick it up!
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Looks like I need to remove the front cam chain cover to get to this fire trap device and see it thats looking blocked although I doubt it :).
I think the crank and bearings are actually all ok afterall...
Nanni ricambi's 82mm pistons and 130mm con rods are tempting (piston compression would be -12mm from original to counter the longer con rods) but i'm being told by all the aircooled people that aircooled hot cams and aircooled bigger pistons won't fit in the watercooled... whats the real deal? :).
I tried to deglaze the bores a little with some tool my dad had to hand... pieces of emery cloth /sand paper that spin out to the bore... unfortunately to get it to go evenly the speed had to be quite high so a cross hatch wasn't really possible with the tool.
I decided to clean up the pistons & conrods today and weigh them... 4-5 gram difference between the two! They started to oxidise slightly after drying so gave them a soak in wd40... also snapped 1 piston ring :(, brittle thing... you live you learn was tempted before that to just throw it together after roughing everything up and seeing what happens... but now I definately need at least some new rings :).
As for the damage to the bellhousing, it is a bugger for sure... and looks like something drastic as took place in its history :( lol. The bolt looks like its snapped off in the block so will be attempting to remove that tomorrow... may source a new bell housing or get my dad to fabricate a plate that will replicate the job!
Some pictures from today:
Cylinder 1 slightly deglazed but pitting still there... might be able to get away with it I guess:
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/cylinder11_zpsd9e3834a.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/cylinder11_zpsd9e3834a.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/cylinder12_zps3f7a9cee.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/cylinder12_zps3f7a9cee.jpg.html)
Checking piston ring clearance... anyknow know what it should be?(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/cylinder1ring_zps9b679be4.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/cylinder1ring_zps9b679be4.jpg.html)
Cylinder 2 slightly deglazed:
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/cylinder2_zpsef454cee.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/cylinder2_zpsef454cee.jpg.html)
Con rods being cleaned in the sink for a while (Mr muscle oven cleaner and wire wool for afterwards...):
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/pistoncleaning1_zps676d605f.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/pistoncleaning1_zps676d605f.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/pistoncleaning2_zpsd4e83c1f.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/pistoncleaning2_zpsd4e83c1f.jpg.html)
Afterwards:
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/cleanpistons1_zpsf6079c7a.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/cleanpistons1_zpsf6079c7a.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/cleanpistons2_zps28e893f6.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/cleanpistons2_zps28e893f6.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/cleanpistons3_zpse34234e9.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/cleanpistons3_zpse34234e9.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/cleanpistons4_zpse59a3b8c.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/cleanpistons4_zpse59a3b8c.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/cleanpistons5_zpsec9e2a27.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/cleanpistons5_zpsec9e2a27.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/cleanpistons6_zps3f118083.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/cleanpistons6_zps3f118083.jpg.html)
Snapped piston ring :(:
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/snappedring_zps35fcfa93.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/snappedring_zps35fcfa93.jpg.html)
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I should have a spare bis bell housing.
I also have a brand new set of bis pistons and rings if you decide to go down that route.
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A bell housing would be amazing :)...
I'm considering reusing these pistons at the minute but just replacing the rings... but the fact that you have them here and now is kind of a swaying factor! lol. What would you want for the bell housing? And maybe the pistons+rings?
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I`ve sent you a pm.
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Right... I've placed an order with fischer 500... here we go again:
connecting rod bearing KIT (Italy) TOP GOODS (09100)
15,00€
[incl. 19% VAT
excl. Shipping]
Piston ring SET BIS 80mm (09023)
20,00€
[incl. 19% VAT
excl. Shipping]
Piston pin retainer (09090)
2,00€
[incl. 19% VAT
excl. Shipping]
Grease nipple (49100)
0,30€
[incl. 19% VAT
excl. Shipping]
Gasket for Carburetor -Intake manifold 126BIS (13037)
1,50€
[incl. 19% VAT
excl. Shipping]
Valve rod Two-Cannel Head - UNLEADED FUEL- also for 126 BIS (15101)
0,70€
[incl. 19% VAT
excl. Shipping]
Timinc chain set BIS from Italy (15281)
35,00€
[incl. 19% VAT
excl. Shipping]
Carburator gasket kit - 2 vacuum actuator (21191)
25,00€
[incl. 19% VAT
Also added on another headgasket + the screw nuts they have for the exhaust manifold.
Hopefully 1973/126 has came to the rescue with a bell housing replacement for me to :). Got some fabric washers on the way from ebay to for the valve cover... So things are staying standard for now... unless I make some allegro purchases!
Lets see if it goes back together ok :).
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Well the engines been having its rebuild over the past couple of days (new con rod shells, new timing chain, new piston rings, deglazed cylinders, new gaskets all around and probably lots more that I've forgotten right now!) also removed the broken off bolt in the block (the head had came off and the bellhousing was broke around this area!?) and sorted a new one... today I pulled the gearbox off the car so I can get the bellhousing switched over tomorrow. Took a quick look in the gearbox and all looked sweet, drained the oil in preperation for switching it over tomorrow.
I also noticed (although I knew really from looking at them months earlier) that I need a couple of gearbox mount bushes so if anyone has any let me know! I'm also unsure on whether I need the inner driveshaft boot seal things so I need to try and locate those just in case :).
A spring appeared on the ground near me... I have no idea what it was for though to be honest... there wasn't one in the speedo drive was there perhaps? But it seems a little too large to have ever gone in there. Perhaps its there from previous work and its appeared :-.
Will upload some pictures that I have taken over the past days asap.
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Forgot to mention I also managed to finally source and fit a replacement choke mechanism for the butterfly valve at the top of the carb! now working sweet as it should with all connectors as it should! :).
Trying to figure out yet another order :(. Can't seem to locate the outer driveshaft boots on axel gerstl though if anyone might be able to help?
Article description Amount Price Total
Item number: C14008
Starter end fitting/casing, front (magnetic switch) Starter end fitting/casing, front (magnetic switch)
Fiat 126P/BIS 15.00 € 15.00 € Refresh Delete from my shopping basket
Item number: C09001
Transmission bearing rubber piece, left Transmission bearing rubber piece, left
Fiat 126 BIS 18.90 € 18.90 € Refresh Delete from my shopping basket
Item number: C09001/R
Transmission bearing rubber piece, right Transmission bearing rubber piece, right
Fiat 126 BIS 18.90 € 18.90 € Refresh Delete from my shopping basket
Item number: C19076/K
Set of carburetor gaskets 30 S2 HR (small) Set of carburetor gaskets 30 S2 HR (small)
Fiat 126 BIS 5.00 € 5.00 € Refresh Delete from my shopping basket
Item number: 07008/1
Axle boot with metal bushing and radial shaft seals Axle boot with metal bushing and radial shaft seals
Fiat 500 R/126/126 BIS 5.90 € 11.80 € Refresh
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You mean this one?
http://webshop.fiat500126.com/katalog/artikelinfo/64/rubber_boot_for_sliding_piece
That spring is probably from the drive shaft. Does it look like this?
http://webshop.fiat500126.com/katalog/artikelinfo/63/pressure_spring
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Thanks Lad! I did come across that spring while searching last night on some other sites but not on axel! I best check the other side to incase I need a replacement! I need to double check the drive shafts girth today with some verniers before placing an order.
Any help with replacing the inner boot would be appreciated do wonder if I could do with a replacement input shaft seal for this bell housing you sent over to as unsure if mine will be serviceable once taken out.
Earlier in the week I also received my points from the shop here :), cheers!
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Turns out it was from the drive shaft as I found another one on the floor over the other side today when I revisted the car! Managed to swap the bellhousing over today and going to fill her up with oil tomorrow to let the sealant cure overnight.
Wondering how to tackle mounting everything back to the car... mount gearbox and then try lift the engine... or mount them both together and try and lift/support the whole lot and frantically try and bolt things in underneath!
Anyway some pictures documenting a little now follow :).
Old con rod shell pic:
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140814_121159_zpsadf2f97a.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140814_121159_zpsadf2f97a.jpg.html)
Cylinder 1 Piston (304g):
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140814_123054_zps2977f8dd.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140814_123054_zps2977f8dd.jpg.html)
Cylinder 2 Piston (307-308g, I tried filing it down but 4 gram is too much to remove by file! lol.):
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140814_123110_zpsb5d27e2b.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140814_123110_zpsb5d27e2b.jpg.html)
New piston pin locking ring in place:
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140814_135446_zps878a6db5.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140814_135446_zps878a6db5.jpg.html)
New Timing Chain fitted:
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140814_150016_zps1318f22e.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140814_150016_zps1318f22e.jpg.html)
Timing cover after a degrease (now the cleanest part of the engine and the most hidden!):
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140814_154223_zpsc39ee2fa.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140814_154223_zpsc39ee2fa.jpg.html)
New piston rings fitted:
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140814_165053_zps75e5ac7f.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140814_165053_zps75e5ac7f.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140814_165059_zps9487a3c0.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140814_165059_zps9487a3c0.jpg.html)
(now I hope thats not a crack I can see on both of those! pretty sure its just a scratch but I really hope so!)
New sump gasket:
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140814_195830_zps8b83dd99.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140814_195830_zps8b83dd99.jpg.html)
Assembled Engine on the back garden:
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140815_182430_zps3298aba1.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140815_182430_zps3298aba1.jpg.html)
Box dropped off the car and lay down for a while:
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140815_195055_zpse7256482.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140815_195055_zpse7256482.jpg.html)
Switching the damaged bell housing over for the new one from 1973/126 (Cheers Lad!)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140816_134022_zps210a9c56.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140816_134022_zps210a9c56.jpg.html)
Much better:
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140816_165034_zpsd6360b8e.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140816_165034_zpsd6360b8e.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140816_165038_zps1f5e2561.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140816_165038_zps1f5e2561.jpg.html)
(Also replaced the input shaft oil seal inside the shaft/bushing assembly as it came with the gearbox gasket kit it would be a shame not to use it! :).).
So tomorrow hopefully get my hands on some proper gearbox oil for the thing and see if I can mount it all back up for a test run... Before I order the gearbox mounts :). Any tips appreciated! I'm wondering if I can run our engine support bar diagonally across the back seats perhaps and hoist her up but don't fancy it much...
Got to get a couple of spade connectors and attempt to fix the fan as it appears one of the connections there has broken off. Also got to fit the new points and condenser on the distributor tomorrow.
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Proper job :)Well done for sticking with it :) :)
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If you have a trolley jack then it's possible to lift the whole lot in one piece. I've done it myself before. A piece of wood to support the engine will help too.
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Cheers cider, trying hard but its expensive :( lol. If it doesn't go well in the end after all of this... the car will be going to an electric motor look at this beast!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9XIkscYFn0[/youtube]
And I have a lightweight aluminium clarke trolley jack that isn't great for lifting big cars... but lifts light weights easy enough. I lifted the whole engine myself earlier with the exhaust for a handle before putting it into a trolley... my back was seriously aching for a short while afterwards though out of nowhere. My dad put his back out earlier this week just lifting the block/flywheel a bit funny (I think he thought it was going to be lighter than it actually was, and the weight of the flywheel he probably wasn't expecting!). So i'm the second victim its had... I do wonder what it all weighs assembled... got to be at least 50kg surely? lol. I might bolt up the gearbox tomorrow and try and balance it all up to mount up. I'll have to have the back panel on though won't I for the engine mount? That could make things a little awquard as there will be no clearance for me to get under there :). lol.
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Hi Poxxxy
If you look at the picture you will see I put the car up on blocks which allowed me space to scoot around underneath without the danger of it falling off a set of axel stands, which always look a bit wobbly to me!
When I put my engine in (air cooled) I attached it to the gear box first, like Gadge, then with a piece of wood under it jacked the whole lump up together and trundled it under the car, leaving the rear panel off. Then attach the gear box mountings and any thing else you need to get at, then lastly attach the rear panel and fit the rear engine mount. Hope that helps.
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Hi Rick, certainly looks like it might be the way to do it :). Axle stands and this car are not great, especially on soft dirty ground. I'll probably return to it sunken and sitting back on its wheels today if I can locate some tutela ZC 90 or other gl 80-90w to fill the box back up with!
Things left to do to the car I can think of:
1. Rethread 2 of the threads on the gearbox mounting bolts from the left hand side.
2. Fill gearbox with oil after sourcing some
3. Find some more engine oil
4. Fit points to distributor.
5. Lift engine and box
6. Assemble the rest of it!
7. Fix leak at front of the car (brake pipe hose clip)
8. Replace a bleed nipple in the stub axle/king pin assembly
9. Fabricate/find a battery clamp.
10. Repair cooling fan connectors and probably the resistors/switches.
If it all works ok...
New gearbox mounts, outer driveshaft boot.
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Have you tried a temporary floor by sliding cut down scaffold boards underneath? Give you a sold base to move a jack about on.
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Can't find any gl3 gearbox oil anywhere today :(. only gl5 see 80/90 at halfords and not sure it's ok for the internals of this box?
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The gear box oil is ZC90, available from Ricambio at £7.95 per ltr plus postage. Don't be tempted to use any other type of oil, it mucks up your synchromesh!
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Yup I know it's originally tutella ZC90 which is an 80-90 SAE non ep gl3 gearbox oil. But I don't like waiting for something like oil when it's stopping progress elsewhere :(. What a pain in the arse!
Plan was to fill box through the inspection hole and then get it mounted up as I hate trying to squirt gearbox oil through a little hole in very awquard positions.
No more progress for today! :(
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Ohh yes! know that feeling, but better to wait than need to rebuild a gear noisy box. I've made that kind mistake too many times myself.
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Hmmm just read a 90 grade gear oil is the same as a straight 30 engine oil. Might be an option!
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Ohh yes! know that feeling, but better to wait than need to rebuild a noisy gear box. I've made that kind mistake too many times myself.
Stupid computer, try to sort out a typo. and it adds a new post!!!
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Hmmm just read a 90 grade gear oil is the same as a straight 30 engine oil. Might be an option!
Not Shure about that, I thought oil grades just ran through the spectrum from thin to thick, not different grading for each application. The main problem is, I believe, that EP oils have anti squish additives that attack phosphor bronze.
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Yeah the scales are different :). Castrol recommended an Australian some engine oil to use in his Niki. also trying to see about gl4 and people saying it doesn't attack phosphor bronze, at least as much as gl5. Tempted to go to halfords and pick up the 80-90 gl4 they stock and be done with it.
How much is made out of yellow metals in these boxes is the question!
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Right... After hours of reading and having bought some 15-40w mineral oil for the engine... It seems that mineral engine oil is a decent non ep transmission oil. Ideally 20-50 would of been better :). but the 15-40 will equate to about 75-80w gearbox oil and will do for a short period at least till I can get the proper stuff sorted. Now it best actually want non EP :).
http://www.kewengineering.co.uk/Auto_oils/oil_viscosity_explained.htm
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Hmmm so checking out the datasheet for the "mineral oil" I bought... turns out its actually semi synthetic according to the dodgy website? And probably therefore has additives in it to that may not be any good... Looks like a trip to B&Q tomorrow for some 20w-50w and i'm unsure on what to go for in the engine now :D.
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If your refering to the driveshaft oil seal boots, here is the How To I got off the duke of 126.... ( I still need to do mine but I can't unscrew the fill plug)
"Undo the wheel end hub 4 bolts on the driveshaft and slide back knuckle towards gearbox, be careful not to loose the spring inside, remove the circlip on the end of the shaft , slide outer boot/knuckle off shaft (towards wheel), then undo 4 bolts on gearbox to remove inner boot , 12,3,6,9 0 clock ones , slide old boot off all the way down shaft and off wheel end, then slide new ones up and reverse the list above ,easy job done.you will have to drain the oil first. and refill after."
Thanks Lad! I did come across that spring while searching last night on some other sites but not on axel! I best check the other side to incase I need a replacement! I need to double check the drive shafts girth today with some verniers before placing an order.
Any help with replacing the inner boot would be appreciated do wonder if I could do with a replacement input shaft seal for this bell housing you sent over to as unsure if mine will be serviceable once taken out.
Earlier in the week I also received my points from the shop here :), cheers!
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Ahh sweet so theres just a circlip holding that on the end :). Easy job then to replace the outer one when it comes to it. I wonder if it is definitely an MOT failure though if I can get away without as its not that bad really...
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Well after a very long few days finally got the engine and box back on the car. Reconnected everything. filled with oil. Then began to fill with water....
Then...
Water coming straight out the top of the again new head gasket near the back of the car... officially back to square 1 when I bought the car. I would like to say a big f you to the **** that sold me the car in the first instance with your b*llpoo and lies.
So at the minute I'm debating wtf to do. Car is driving me near suicide with its stupid problems and it's not like I haven't worked on cars before!
Maybe I should say f you to the supplier of the shoddy head gasket? :(.
Can't even test the rings really to see if the oil burning problem has stopped.
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You say water is comming out of the top near the head? Like dripping or pouring from a hole? Can you take a photo? Really sorry about your woes buddy :( I know exactly how your feeling I had head problems early on and was so down in the dumps :(
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[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Avisgo0mOs[/youtube]
I've never been so frustrated with a car, even having my heavy as hell Golf Gearbox off and on and apart 4 times fixing an issue with that was a walk in the park compared to the literal hell i'm going through with this engine.
Tried to fire her up but only running on what was the rough cylinder with full throttle applied and choke on full, sparks in the other one but doesn't want to know so not sure if valves are being held open by the cam cover... shouldn't be... was on rather loose and if it is... then what a terrible design because that's a brand new cam cover :(.
Tried rotating engine with the distributor out a full turn but still the same.
If I get it to run tomorrow I might be tempted to try some k-seal as a solution... but thinking its getting to the end of the line for now. :(.
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Hi Lee, the video you put up says its Private so we can't watch it, A couple of things to mention is the head you put on the CC700? did you check that the face was flat and not warped,
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I'm still thinking maybe the block is to blame. Two heads, two new gaskets and still not water and air tight?? :(
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Yeah the head is cc700 pete. It was on before without any leaking, tightening sequence followed all the way and torqued by the book. Valve clearance set as per Haynes manual and from what I could find cc700 valve clearances set the same. Will sort the video out now :). Face of the head and block looked alright to. previous gaskets taken off show there wasn't any water leaking anywhere it should have been before hand :(.
This was the original problem when the car "just needed plumbing in"... a leak from a similar area... possible low spot from someone bashing away at the block to try remove the head perhaps.
With copper head gasket and skim it was sorted... I then ended up taking that off a few times and changing gaskets and changing heads...the leak didn't exist at any of these points...
I take it apart once again and order some gaskets from fischer 500... they send me 2, which I thought was strange (when I ordered one)... and they were cheap... I take apart the engine and perform more things to try and sort out the engine oil burning (so I replaced the piston rings blablabla). Assemble it all very carefully over the course of the week out of the car... add oil, add water expecting to be then plugging in vacuum lines and setting timing etc and water squeezing out of this whilst filling the coolant tank up :(.
I have to say, I've not been impressed with the athena gasket templates at all in general. Very poor... so I have a feeling the crap gasket is to blame here perhaps :(.
The head gasket in the "big engine gasket kit" was much better to be honest... and the copper one I originally had was good... but a big expensive waste after having to take apart the engine apart so many times :). lol. So I obviously didn't want to have to spend loads more on the gasket once again :(.
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Rite.. it could be? that the CC head is slightly thinner and with a thin gasket the head will not torque down properly, what i would try is put an extra washer under each head nut and re-torquing the head down again, it maybe that you are tightening the head nuts on there thread and not head, Its worth a try!
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Hmmm perhaps, cheers guys. Guess ill have to strip it tomorrow once again. May even be tempted to use an old gasket if it's thicker as the last didn't come off too badly. That or the other new one fischer sent and some gasket sealant!
Need a clean tray to catch the oil to save for the future as I can't keep buying more lol.
Does the rad switch work independently to the temperature on the dash (which I think works off the water junction on the top of the engine)? Where should the needle sit (if I manage to get it water tight) and what fan behaviour is correct?
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Got it started, still exactly the same although smoke looking maybe a tad more grey/fuelly.
I can't do anymore :(. Done everything I can think of to be honest now and got nowhere.
Setting up the fos carb seems to be a mystery even to the polish and without a working good carb I can't rule that out.
It's a shame no one lives around here who might be able to help out. Only thing left to try is another block (but I really can't be put through all this again). It's a shame I couldn't take it somewhere to be sorted out!
The rocker cover although new and non-deformed still holds the 2nd cylinder valves open when tightened up enough to stop oil leaks there at the gasket.
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I think anyone would have had enough by now ???
did you do a compression test to discover 2nd cylinder valves open, how about making a thicker gasket or even using gasket maker & glue two together, or maybe drop tools for a week and go on holiday?
I know what you mean about the polski 30s2H carb, I fitted a service kit to mine, but cannot set it up properly as the fiat workshop manual only covers the weber DGF30 (float height is same though, 6mm and 13mm)
Got it started, still exactly the same although smoke looking maybe a tad more grey/fuelly.
I can't do anymore :(. Done everything I can think of to be honest now and got nowhere.
Setting up the fos carb seems to be a mystery even to the polish and without a working good carb I can't rule that out.
It's a shame no one lives around here who might be able to help out. Only thing left to try is another block (but I really can't be put through all this again). It's a shame I couldn't take it somewhere to be sorted out!
The rocker cover although new and non-deformed still holds the 2nd cylinder valves open when tightened up enough to stop oil leaks there at the gasket.
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Float height isn't the same actually, 8.5mm and 13mm according to polish site I discovered lol. There's a couple of other measurements it gives to but I'm not sure what they mean. It has pointers to all the screws though so someone with good english/polish could probably make sense!
http://stachmax.republika.pl/cechy/zasilanie.html
The rocker leak still doesn't explain everything thats going on with my engine unfortunately so still totally puzzled. Sounds sweet as a nut despite the smoke at idle though. So close but so far!
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Thanks for the link, Axle G told me 6mm. I'll adjust that at some point.
Float height isn't the same actually, 8.5mm and 13mm according to polish site I discovered lol. There's a couple of other measurements it gives to but I'm not sure what they mean. It has pointers to all the screws though so someone with good english/polish could probably make sense!
http://stachmax.republika.pl/cechy/zasilanie.html
The rocker leak still doesn't explain everything thats going on with my engine unfortunately so still totally puzzled. Sounds sweet as a nut despite the smoke at idle though. So close but so far!
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Doubt it makes too much difference to be honest :). The 8.5mm and 13mm measured from the face of the gasket btw.
I need a fairy car mother to take it away and fix it up at the minute!
In an attempt to lean it out as it smelled a little fuelly I tried adjusting the mixture screw (according to that polish site the bottom right one when your looking at the choke/throttle etc.) earlier but only seems to want to run when its fully screwed in and dies when unscrewing at all.
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Yeah I did that Pete... but this means nothing to me:
"Repeal the throttle and flight while the boot device B = 0.75 ... 0.85 mm
Repeal the throttle boot after activation of the actuator pull-down off the boot device"
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I think that refers to the vacuum unit that increases the revs when the cooling fan kicks in, I'll check the fiat workshop manual when I get in tonight :)
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Ahhh my engine has yet to reach 90 degrees for the fan to kick in so I wouldn't know :(. lol.
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thats a bit strange, my idle screw is 1.5 turns out (dies when you screw it right in, as that leans it right up)
Doubt it makes too much difference to be honest :). The 8.5mm and 13mm measured from the face of the gasket btw.
I need a fairy car mother to take it away and fix it up at the minute!
In an attempt to lean it out as it smelled a little fuelly I tried adjusting the mixture screw (according to that polish site the bottom right one when your looking at the choke/throttle etc.) earlier but only seems to want to run when its fully screwed in and dies when unscrewing at all.
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thats a bit strange, my idle screw is 1.5 turns out (dies when you screw it right in, as that leans it right up)
Doubt it makes too much difference to be honest :). The 8.5mm and 13mm measured from the face of the gasket btw.
I need a fairy car mother to take it away and fix it up at the minute!
In an attempt to lean it out as it smelled a little fuelly I tried adjusting the mixture screw (according to that polish site the bottom right one when your looking at the choke/throttle etc.) earlier but only seems to want to run when its fully screwed in and dies when unscrewing at all.
Screw number 5 on that diagram on the polish site? That's what I was expecting to happen...
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The rocker cover although new and non-deformed still holds the 2nd cylinder valves open when tightened up enough to stop oil leaks there at the gasket.
Wouldn`t this be causing the smoking of the engine, or have you sorted this issue out?
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Not sure exactly how to sort it to be honest! :). I thought about putting 2 of the gaskets I have for the thing in place to try and space it out. It doesn't help things as that burns up into the engine bay and isn't pleasant!
I don't think its contributing to the smoke thats pouring out of the exhaust though as under throttle and higher RPM's it really throws it out. But now with an added haze of grey and black from running rather rich.
I can't find a cc700 rocker cover anywhere as they look much better being cast instead of this rubbish tin cover. It certainly doesn't help but I had it sorted before and had it running without leaks from there before the rebuild.
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Just seen a complete engine on eBay...... It's a bit pricey at £350 but it does go to show that they do turn up now and again :(
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Yeah i've seen it, I sent an offer of £75 (after seeing some posts on here that said someone bough tone for that a while back lol). and had a counter offer back at £349.98 so that's that really... There was one I missed the end of the auction at 180... but its miles away and still more than I can afford now. Then theres the chance of it actually being any good! Thinking about throwing some k-seal in and see what happens... if anything! Its not steam though, pretty sure its smoke! So may try some steel seal in the oil or something perhaps and pray for a miracle.
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Hi
There`s a bis engine on ebay item no 131271368448
Julia
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FIAT-126-bis-/181496633988?pt=Automobiles_UK&hash=item2a420ada84r
heres a whole car which is a runner, currently £300, engines good, flog the rest.
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So the auction says... but I bet its not as innocent as it sounds... :(. No trailer either and no more room for another car here unfortunately. lol.
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Well this afternoon I decided to carry on playing with the fiat... Managed to stop the rocker cover leak (turns out it had bent a little... I put it down to possibly a slightly bent stud and dodgy washer perhaps... but maybe I had managed to over tighten it previously to deform this new cover :(, not admitting to it though! Also changed the gasket for one I know I had it sealed up with before.).
The symptoms continued for a while... no smoke till warm and then smoking when warm. But I decided it was time to start playing with the carb... I came to the conclusion that the engine was running rather lean and generally possibly running just too hot (perhaps the thermostat is sticking slightly?) the idle was hunting a little to after me leaning the idle out too much. (theres also another couple of screws on either side of the carb... decided to turn these right in)... the engine ran much better! My dad had a play and did a little fine tuning and never had the engine sounding and running/revving so nicely... also the smoke appeared to be going through phases of coming and going... the fan mechanism is working correctly now... and the smoke problem seems to be just disappearing... Could it be the engine was just running too lean and getting far too hot, and an aged slightly rusty thermostat (despite the dash temperature remaining in a safe area) could be causing the oil just to reach a temperature its not too comfortable at?
I'm thinking its time to remove the thermostat and just run it cool, hopefully its not too bad in the winter but I don't plan on driving it around much (although gotta be the car for having some drifting fun!).
Water seems to have stopped leaking from the jacket/block (possibly through rust build up! but i'm not complaining and possibly a candidate for a k-seal test) and no steam espacing anywhere... Also no combustion gas's in the coolant as I made sure to have a good look.
Still not managed to bleed the heater matrix at the front even with trying to pull a vacuum so must be blocked... thinking to drain the coolant (water and replace with something proper!) and then blow through the pipe with compressed air to try and dislodge anything that might be blocking the path.
Not sure if i'm being hopeful that the car might actually be finding its own way... maybe someone took pity on me and decided its time for it to work! lol. But definitely considering carb/fueling could of even been the issue in the first place... and perhaps the rings are starting to bed in nicely.
Had a few runs round the block whilst all this was going on... and even had a couple with absolutely clear exhaust fumes... Hopefully the smoky periods will disappear!
I have to say, the engine is very spritely and responds great with no flat spots and pulls very nicely! The second throttle opening works great to. As for the 20-50w mineral engine oil in the box (halfords made by comma) the gear changes were smooth and light :).
Now I definately need to order those gearboxs mounts.
Maybe someone can shed some light...
Thinking its time for another copper head gasket soon... and maybe try and get her in for an MOT asap.
A friend came with me for the ride... they were hilarious when I took a corner at 15mph they were acting like it was 50mph!
Feeling much better about everything finally... hope its not premature! :).
After this I decided to plug in the color tune I bought earlier in the year from Rusty, to be honest it did not like it at all and started backfiring although when it did work... the spark was bunsen blue before the yellow balls of flame from backfiring appeared... this continued when I put in a dirty spark... but seemed to clear up after a while. I will only know if this problem reappears on trying to start the car again tomorro when its cooled down a little. But I think the spark was just a little fouled!
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That's very encouraging news poxxy :) the smoky gases are certainly a mystery but not one I'll want to question now their going lol. Removing the thermostat is not a bad idea - sure it runs cool for a while but it's the lesser evil compared to one that's stuck shut. I have a modified thermostat on mine which relocates it to where the top water junction is and has made a big difference so if you come across one you should buy it! Also it's very important to get the air out of the heater system. I have a big feeling that it was this that caused my head gasket to blow after my matrix leaked.
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That's very encouraging news poxxy :) the smoky gases are certainly a mystery but not one I'll want to question now their going lol. Removing the thermostat is not a bad idea - sure it runs cool for a while but it's the lesser evil compared to one that's stuck shut. I have a modified thermostat on mine which relocates it to where the top water junction is and has made a big difference so if you come across one you should buy it! Also it's very important to get the air out of the heater system. I have a big feeling that it was this that caused my head gasket to blow after my matrix leaked.
Hi
Well done fingers crossed that it`s sorted now
With the modified thermostat housing could you use a Cinquecento 0.9 thermostat as they look
very similar in size/bolt pattern to the bis top water junction
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Yeah the thermostat location isn't very smart really... its doing its job though for sure and smoke has disappeared completely now! Fingers crossed it stays that way. Just trying to figure out what's left before I can consider an MOT and start prioritising... currently a list of 13 items!
The washer jet motors, are they ran through a relay? I can't hear one when I try and activate either and notice a dimming of lights on the dash so powers trying to go somewhere? I've not had the plug connectors off to check for voltage so perhaps just seized pump motors?
Got to fabricate a battery clamp, I have no idea what the stock battery strap held onto though :).
Got to replace a grease nipple in a stub axle which I have here.
Order some gearbox mounts.
Sort out the mashed thread in the rear left hub... does anyone know the correct pitch/bolt size for the thread?
Secure a headlight and a few other little things!
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Managed to unblock the washer tubes and my god... the organisms living in those bags was weird... it looked like a bird had been dissolved in the one (looked like feathers and all kinds of toxic alien stuff when it came pouring out). The other one was luminous blue/green slime... god knows how long the stuff had been in there... immediately washed my hands and tried not to breathe!
So turns out power is at the connectors after I had a look at the wiring diagrams and had the multimeter out... but the motor... well they're both succombed to rust and totally seized solid once I took them apart. Don't seem to be able to budge the spindle at all and the rust all around the actual motor is pretty damn thick!
So I then discovered it doesn't seem possible to find washer jets suitable! :(. Local halfords stopped selling them although I bought some for another job a few months back (whether or not there were any suitable, we'll never know :(). I can't make out the original lucas part number but they do both differ despite being the same. all I can see on both of them is BES and 12v-8k which doesn't bring up much. Seems lucas only make a generic washer pump. I do wonder if I can source a couple of pumps though to retain the original 2 bags! I'd like to keep things completely stock, for MOT my dad has found out an old washer bag he kept from years ago (and has no idea really what it came from other than something Japanese as its made by Nippondenso). Got it all hooked up and unblocked the jets with a vacuum and pin.
I don't suppose anyone has any lying around or can help source an original fitment replacement? It might be the case the tops from the pumps can be switched as they only seem to be held on by a few tabs and screwed if the shaft fitment on the propellor would be the same.
Otherwise... i'll have to move away from the stock 2 bags and look for a decent replacement, perhaps with 2 motors or single operation via the column switch.
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Waiting on the following and then should be ready to get her through an MOT :):
Quantity Article-Number Description Single Price
with tax Sum
with tax
1.00 C09001 Transmission bearing rubber piece, left
Fiat 126 BIS 18.90 EUR 18.90 EUR
1.00 C09001/R Transmission bearing rubber piece, right
Fiat 126 BIS 18.90 EUR 18.90 EUR
2.00 07010 Rubber boot for sliding piece
Fiat 500 F/R/126/126 BIS/600/850 0.60 EUR 1.20 EUR
2.00 07008/1 Axle boot with metal bushing and radial shaft seals
Fiat 500 R/126/126 BIS 5.90 EUR 11.80 EUR
1.00 C19076 Set of carburetor gaskets 30 S2 HR, with valve (large)
Fiat 126 BIS 19.50 EUR 19.50 EUR
1.00 C01021 Air filter element
Fiat 126 BIS 6.50 EUR 6.50 EUR
1.00 C01014 V-belt 10 x 725
Fiat 126 BIS 5.40 EUR 5.40 EUR
1.00 C17092 Registration plate lamp
Fiat 126 BIS 5.20 EUR 5.20 EUR
Sum 87.40 EUR
Sum to 19.00 % 87.40 EUR
VAT included 19.00 % 13.95 EUR
Total Sum 87.40 EUR
1 x rear fog light = €4.00
1 x Mandatory equipment bag = €12.00
1 x master cylinder seals = €4.00
8 x plastic screw short = €2.40
4 x plastic screw long = €1.20
2 x direction lamp and tail lamp clamp = €0.50
1 x bulb 21W = €0.35
1 x lense of inside lamp = €1.20
1 x reverse light = €4.00
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Total with postage: €50
Also ordering a solid copper head gasket from Polish 126 forum member for 100zl (none of these copper faced athena things!) of 0.5mm (the thin ness scares me with the existing leak on the block/jacket (which i'm going to have to sort out... but the car runs great really :))... but hoping the copper will make a better seal for one!
Heres a couple of videos of the engine running smoke free!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUew7c0dIGw[/youtube]
And one from today with the air filter attached... to make sure its still running when I come to it :D
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TGMiX8tRwg[/youtube] - Ticking over nicely :).
Can't figure out whats going on from cold start and on choke with the carb though... to start I need to apply full choke and depress the pedal a few times while cranking. The engine will then run for a few seconds, RPM will usually climb then fall to a stop for a few turns of the key... Blipping the throttle a little at the right time seems to help to get her running and stops the engine rpm falling to a complete stall whilst on full choke but it the engine RPM does then hunt up and down for a while until the car has warmed up. Once warm it ticks over like a beauty as seen/heard in the videos. Anyone got any ideas?
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to start with the engine sounds good :good:.
as with the choke thing, when you press the accelerator it injects fuel down the carb and that obviosly make it richer but with full choke that should not be nessasary so i'm not fully shore whats happening with that.
hopefully that helps a little. try adjusting the idle mixture screw if you have to.
Mike
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I decided to take a look at the carb today to check the idle jets... but they were secure... however I noticed that the choke mechanism on the butterfly (which I sourced/installed) had came off. Reattached and worked it a little and the car started first turn of the key as it should and with no RPM rollercoaster symptoms. Just behaved perfectly!
Received my Axel Gerstl order so will be replacing gearbox mounts possibly later this evening or tomorrow along with a few other little bits! Just need to wait for my master cylinder seals from Poland and then I can get it booked in for MOT! :).
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That's great news! :D glad to see your fortune is turning somewhat given the disaster of a time you've had with it. You just have to perceiver sometimes but the hard work has paid off now.
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Love hate relationship... hopefully the abuse will stop though and we can start to appreciate one another ;). lol.
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glad you managed to fix your car, hopefully what i said helped.
Mike
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So decided to replace the gearbox mounts today with the fresh ones from Axel... as you can see the old ones are spent and looking rather rough! :).
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Waiting on my seals for the brake master cylinder from Poland now :).
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Naaaaaa 10000 miles left in those :P
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Tempted to get a few varieties of differing durometer urethane and perhaps attempt to salvage something out of them. A set of emergency gearbox mounts lol
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So sorted a few things out on the car over the past week, a leak at the master cylinder (changed the seals, but ended up being a split broken plastic elbow! doh.). Undersealed the car which took a fair amount of cans of Tetra Schutz! Discovered I was missing a leaf spring bump stop at the front, need to get that sorted ASAP. Received many a new part from Germany and Poland and now all I need is a battery clamp and waiting on one more rubber (Debica Vivo's from Seicento space savers) to arrive then MOT is due. Sorted out my reverse and fog lights, nice new air filter, treated her to some coolant now its leak proofed, new interior light lens and more but I've forgotten for now. lol.
This evening I decided to start on T-cutting the car with help of a friend and my dad, we gave up fairly quickly and will continue tomorrow properly! Amazing difference though really :).
Some pictures to follow anyway, and a few part numbers to keep in mind for the future for personal reference!
I wrote most of this ^^ this morning... the other seicento space saver turned up... seems I have two varities of debica vivo's in the same model (but slightly different manufacturer logo molding) but all pretty much brand new. All but one have the center tread pips in place and the one that doesn't looks like it might have been used once if not just rolled along the floor! The rims though, they were interesting, one of the seicento space savers appears to have had a factory welded spacer :S. Perhaps from a sporting or something and required higher offset? Seems a dodgy method of spacing a wheel out though and not sure it would be legal but maybe OK for a space saver spare lol. Managed to get me a full set of practically new tyres for £70 quid so not bad :).
Ordered my leaf spring rubber tops so they'll be here shortly.
So... as I was saying... pictures!
Missing a "Door stay" from here:
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140826_181700_zps95bec736.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140826_181700_zps95bec736.jpg.html)
Some pictures from when the gearbox/engine were off (the seicento alloys came in useful in the end):
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140817_201329_zps0334ece9.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140817_201329_zps0334ece9.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140817_201322_zps0fdb1f1b.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140817_201322_zps0fdb1f1b.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140818_204655_zps9c55b917.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140818_204655_zps9c55b917.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140818_204700_zpseb32fc94.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140818_204700_zpseb32fc94.jpg.html)
Small pile of goodies that arrived:
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140903_150420_zpsd043b4b8.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140903_150420_zpsd043b4b8.jpg.html)
Master Cylinder plastic problem (are replacements even available? Had to get creative and plastic weld this one up) and old seals:
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140903_171254_zpsf87b182e.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140903_171254_zpsf87b182e.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140903_171303_zps93758bd6.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140903_171303_zps93758bd6.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140903_181525_zps2a56be78.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140903_181525_zps2a56be78.jpg.html)
Headlining clips (Need two more of these if anyone has any lying around!):
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140904_143107_zps150a4802.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140904_143107_zps150a4802.jpg.html)
All wheels off ready for bleeding and undersealing:
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140904_160524_zps138c3cee.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140904_160524_zps138c3cee.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140904_160537_zpsa219b3f4.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140904_160537_zpsa219b3f4.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140904_164634_zps8e87dfcf.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140904_164634_zps8e87dfcf.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140904_164626_zps7c462de7.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140904_164626_zps7c462de7.jpg.html)
Some underseal shots (Still need to touch up a few bits here and there where the jack was and theres a couple of dry spots on these pics which were blasted after!) 2 new cans and half an old one later:
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140904_185743_zpsa0bdc460.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140904_185743_zpsa0bdc460.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140904_185855_zpsf467876a.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140904_185855_zpsf467876a.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140904_185827_zps998cb6b6.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140904_185827_zps998cb6b6.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140904_185812_zpsd1438bb0.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140904_185812_zpsd1438bb0.jpg.html)
Nice new tyre:
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140908_132818_zpsadaf2d16.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140908_132818_zpsadaf2d16.jpg.html)
One nice new air filter:
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140907_193550_zps524275c0.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140907_193550_zps524275c0.jpg.html)
And the T-cut:
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140908_171835_zps05ad3a65.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140908_171835_zps05ad3a65.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140908_174906_zps7a78a858.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140908_174906_zps7a78a858.jpg.html)
Few part numbers that may prove useful in the future:
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/bd2edada-b8f0-41f4-8779-048a3866fa67_zpsda33a2c9.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/bd2edada-b8f0-41f4-8779-048a3866fa67_zpsda33a2c9.jpg.html)
Conrod Shells:
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140904_122128_zps1532e89a.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140904_122128_zps1532e89a.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140904_122035_zpsacfa19cc.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140904_122035_zpsacfa19cc.jpg.html)
Carburettor repair kit:
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140907_192031_zps30700c78.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140907_192031_zps30700c78.jpg.html)
Air filter box:
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140907_191028_zps907ff1cb.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140907_191028_zps907ff1cb.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140907_191039_zpse6cdfdcb.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140907_191039_zpse6cdfdcb.jpg.html)
I noticed on a recent test drive that the speedo is all over the place... wondering if I didn't put the cable back in the gearbox properly...
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Great work! I too did the debacia space saver trick (I'm now running wider 145 michelins now) I got 5 for around £80 in total and like you say they were unworn - but old as they stopped importing seicentos into the uk around 11 years ago. The little spacers you talk of are they on the wheel bolt holes?
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Hmmm I guess they could be 10 year old! Rubber on these feels and looks lovely though so don't think they've seen extremes of any temperature fluctuations over the years. The spacer is on the back side of the wheel and welded in 4 places... looks maybe 5-7mm thick. The bolts do pass through it also yeah. I had a seicento space saver from my old cento but unfortunately the debica tyre on that one states "spare tyre only" so no good for MOT purposes.
Tempted to do something with all these space savers though... perhaps get em banded to fill the arches out or just paint them up and use them. ET is a little different and the they're an extra half inch wide. Sit about 6-7mm closer to the strut and 3mm out I believe.
The tyres have gotta be younger than the others on these wheels I had off wsmitwil though for sure! No cracks and lush young looking rubber lol.
I thought about getting some 145's but fuel efficiency! And new 145's would cost me 35-40 per tyre without fitting I guess :(.
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My 145s were £85 each :o due to the 60 profile :D
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So today I finished up t-cutting and waxing the car (some color magic blue wax that was in the cupboards around my parents)... so many hours! My fingers are worn out from heat/friction/microfibre cloth abrasion. I wish I had a buffer, would of been so much quicker. Tried restoring some of the trim, some wasn't too bad but the front bumper is pretty tired. I think painting it black is perhaps the way forward!
But after all the hard work, finally the car no longer looks like it needs a respray and an eyesore on the front garden lol. Transformed it really, I can see my reflection in pretty much all of it and i'm pretty impressed with the transformation. Sweating it out today was worth it but I think i'll be paying for it tomorrow! :).
Some pictures:
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140909_190731_zps7aa1d37c.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140909_190731_zps7aa1d37c.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140909_190832_zpse9e29e31.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140909_190832_zpse9e29e31.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140909_190807_zps661f0a29.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140909_190807_zps661f0a29.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140909_190742_zpsdb99375d.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140909_190742_zpsdb99375d.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140909_190901_zps7a1c5cde.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140909_190901_zps7a1c5cde.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140909_190846_zpsbf9654a7.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140909_190846_zpsbf9654a7.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140909_190914_zps0d788552.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140909_190914_zps0d788552.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140909_191119_zps17587796.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140909_191119_zps17587796.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140909_191100_zps1a751014.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140909_191100_zps1a751014.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140909_191041_zpse70df29a.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140909_191041_zpse70df29a.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140909_191030_zps580a4dc9.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140909_191030_zps580a4dc9.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140909_191008_zpsdf3890e4.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140909_191008_zpsdf3890e4.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140909_190948_zps44f38b51.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140909_190948_zps44f38b51.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140909_190945_zpsc9429e5b.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140909_190945_zpsc9429e5b.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140909_190937_zps92f78f50.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140909_190937_zps92f78f50.jpg.html)
Just a few bits too address but all in all i'm pretty happy with the outcome, no longer flat pastel faded blue but shiny to look at and touch :). The roof could be better and will probably have another once over but for now it will do.
Just waiting on leafspring rubber stops that should arrive tomorrow to address the missing one. Sort out the tyres (Probably paint the steels black or silver), figure out a battery clamp solution, But think its getting closer!
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Very nice effect, good condition of car body :)
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Wow what a change!! That looks amazing! :D
Shame you bought some rubbers I have a really good pair here you could've had
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Bugger! I did put the word out but I don't think anyone ever checks the wanted section :( lol.
Thanks for the kind words, my first real handjob... what an experience :) haha.
I need to find some rubbers for around the front indicators as they're well green and perished. Looks like i'll be needing a window seal in the future as theres a couple of scuttle areas that need attention... but having seen some poor buggers purchases the body work is fairly good on this afterall... rolling road restoration here it comes!
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Leafspring rubber stops got replaced yesterday :). Heres what was left of the others...
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140910_153752_zps8602cc72.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140910_153752_zps8602cc72.jpg.html)
New pair:
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140910_103946_zps06ab4419.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140910_103946_zps06ab4419.jpg.html)
Fitted:
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140910_153837_zpsf8091498.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140910_153837_zpsf8091498.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140910_153824_zpsabf78b2f.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140910_153824_zpsabf78b2f.jpg.html)
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Ok so I decided its time to sort out my wheels and refurb them up (Although costs are ridiculous for a set of 4J steelies :( lol). After having quotes of £48 per wheel to blast and powdercoat I really didn't want to spend that much (but looks like I may anyway, :( i'll regret just not having em powdercoated i'm sure!). So I started trying to strip the paint and rust with a wire brush on an angle grinder... an hour later and not getting very far I decided i'd had enough and set about finding somewhere to blast the wheels.
I ended up taking them to a place called brocton park just up the road from me and left them there at about 2pm this afternoon. Fingers crossed i'll get a call tomorrow and can go pick them up.
Now i'm wondering what to do regarding finishing them... i'm leaning towards 2 pack paint but unsure on what color to go for!
I really like the look of a polished rim, and came across these "trim rings" in chrome/stainless steel that give the effect of a polished dished rim. I wonder how they'd look on the 126 steelies though and if the fit would actually be any good (Anyone came across them before?)!
I decided to open up photoshop and perform a quick prat around with a few combinations.
I think i'll also be looking at center caps!
I'd appreciate anyones opinions on the below :).
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/1_zpsc028709a.gif) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/1_zpsc028709a.gif.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/2_zpsdaad3f95.gif) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/2_zpsdaad3f95.gif.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/3_zpse2c0499e.gif) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/3_zpse2c0499e.gif.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/4a_zps4d433257.gif) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/4a_zps4d433257.gif.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/4_zps34bbe213.gif) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/4_zps34bbe213.gif.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/5_zpsc5313035.gif) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/5_zpsc5313035.gif.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/6_zpsb0815701.gif) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/6_zpsb0815701.gif.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/7_zps08d92819.gif) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/7_zps08d92819.gif.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/8_zpsf11f76b8.gif) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/8_zpsf11f76b8.gif.html)
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I like the black 8)
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Straight black with no rim trims? :). I wish I had a big ass bath of sulfuric acid and huge anode so I could plate each wheel with chrome now :( lol.
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Ok well I had the wheels back from the shotblasters (turns out they used glass as the blast medium), ended up costing me £15 per wheel so £75 for the 5.
I'm trying to get quotes for powdercoating but looks like £25 per wheel for a black gloss coat is the cheapest i've came across so far...
I decided to spray some acid etch on the one wheel that had balance weights left on (removed them and wirebrushed what was left underneath) and tempted to maybe just have a go at painting them with some 2 pack acrylic. But maybe powdercoating would be best... I hear either way with this blasted finish that the paint should adhere pretty well as oppose to powdercoating fresh almost polished metal when it comes from the factory... I do hear some horror stories of rims collapsing from rust hiding beneath powdercoating where as paint will bubble up sooner to worn you off whats underneath... also easier to touch up...
Decisions decisions!?? Someone help me lol.
Anyway I got some pics of the wheels before and some after once blasted! I was impressed when I picked them up as I wasn't expecting such a finish!
Before:
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140917_163546_zps637841b5.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140917_163546_zps637841b5.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140917_163451_zps5d19b351.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140917_163451_zps5d19b351.jpg.html)
After:
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140919_141843_zps2b7d1607.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140919_141843_zps2b7d1607.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140919_141823_zpsea3d2c77.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140919_141823_zpsea3d2c77.jpg.html)
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Hi, thats a really good result. My steelies are a little rusted with being white it stands out even more. When i enquired about powder coating they mentioned having to put the wheels in an oven to burn off all the rust/paint then sand blast. Cost was about £40 each wheel. I take it sandblasting will do just on its own. Simon.
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Well done on that polish, that car looks AMAZING,
the wheels came out really good from blasting
For colours I'm all for going traditional silver but you could go for something different like bright yellow but silver is good, my spare wheel is painted white and it looks quite good
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Great stuff :D you now have a blank canvas to start from. I quite like the standard silver with black caps myself or perhaps a silver rim and black centre? :)
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Well... over the past few days the wheels have so far been etch primed and had 2 coats of primer sprayed on :). I've decided to go for a white and will be getting some black center caps sent over to accompany them. If I end up changing my mind I can always paint the face knowing the rest is good but I think it'll look pretty good. To be honest I quite like the color of the primer in its off white state!
Silver does look good, but I think white might make the wheels and the effort i've put into them show off better :D. I would of gone black but the detail would probably appear lost, however it may of suited the car better... i'm unsure yet! We will see :D. Hopefully i've put a fair few years of life back into the wheels!
Some pictures...
Old tyres:
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/oldtyres_zps4e7f5716.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/oldtyres_zps4e7f5716.jpg.html)
New tyres:
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/newtyres2_zps0a5b6b16.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/newtyres2_zps0a5b6b16.jpg.html)
Etch primed:
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/etchprimered1_zpsd209f71d.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/etchprimered1_zpsd209f71d.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/etchprimered2_zps10b8bd45.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/etchprimered2_zps10b8bd45.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/etchprimered3_zpsc3bdf9aa.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/etchprimered3_zpsc3bdf9aa.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/etchprimered4_zps9c0ac714.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/etchprimered4_zps9c0ac714.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/etchprimered5_zpsf284505a.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/etchprimered5_zpsf284505a.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/etchprimered6_zpsbfcfb92a.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/etchprimered6_zpsbfcfb92a.jpg.html)
1st coat of primer:
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/1stcoat1_zps8853d1d2.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/1stcoat1_zps8853d1d2.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/1stcoat2_zpsf4719847.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/1stcoat2_zpsf4719847.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/1stcoat3_zpsdf4ff3cc.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/1stcoat3_zpsdf4ff3cc.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/1stcoat4_zps5157355b.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/1stcoat4_zps5157355b.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/1stcoat5_zps31726e20.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/1stcoat5_zps31726e20.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/1stcoat6_zpscbfdca78.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/1stcoat6_zpscbfdca78.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/1stcoat7_zpsd4b3c9c5.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/1stcoat7_zpsd4b3c9c5.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/1stcoat8_zpsb49788ff.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/1stcoat8_zpsb49788ff.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/sprayingprimer_zpsaa1c9139.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/sprayingprimer_zpsaa1c9139.jpg.html)
1st coat primer after sanding:
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/sanded1stcoat1_zps58c6a442.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/sanded1stcoat1_zps58c6a442.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/sanded1stcoat2_zps79ea874e.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/sanded1stcoat2_zps79ea874e.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/sanded1stcoat3_zps6b5ce47c.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/sanded1stcoat3_zps6b5ce47c.jpg.html)
2nd coat after sanding:
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/laststage1_zps8959afbd.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/laststage1_zps8959afbd.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/laststage2_zpsfb27bccf.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/laststage2_zpsfb27bccf.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/laststage3_zpsa5603cc1.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/laststage3_zpsa5603cc1.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/laststage4_zps6fb2a7dc.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/laststage4_zps6fb2a7dc.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/laststage5_zpsdfb1f634.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/laststage5_zpsdfb1f634.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/laststage6_zps17dbc57e.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/laststage6_zps17dbc57e.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/laststage7_zps3029aec9.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/laststage7_zps3029aec9.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/laststage8_zps4c363753.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/laststage8_zps4c363753.jpg.html)
Hopefully get the a coat or two of the finishing color on there tomorrow but feels like i'm coming down with a cold from the missus, :(. I lasted a while but finally its getting to me lol.
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So today after wrestling with tyres and wheels and pulling some lovely new valves through the rims... we finally have them on the car! I was unsure on them at first, but after staring at them for a long time and letting the yellow light of day disappear they started to look better to me. Will help when I get the side trim reapplied after painting it black again! They look a little too new for the car perhaps to at the moment :D. lol.
I've not upped any pics in a while... but now I have quite a few more to put up with showcasing the makeshift wheel painting rig setup over the few days!
Car is insured from the 1st of October so I really need to book an MOT, I have to sort out the battery clamp still which is missing but other than that I can't see any reason why it shouldn't fly through after all this work... pretty much feels like i've been on this solid for many many months to get it to this stage :D.
Anyway some pictures:
The car on the seicento sporting alloys that came with it for the last time... (while the steels were being taken care of!)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/1_zps0add1d4f.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/1_zps0add1d4f.jpg.html)
Also did a little spraying of some of the plastics to restore the black color:
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140926_162530_zps754cf933.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140926_162530_zps754cf933.jpg.html)
Primered and hung via middle of rim to stop them swinging around during spraying:
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140926_101549_zps05494b31.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140926_101549_zps05494b31.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140926_101559_zps361dd2ba.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140926_101559_zps361dd2ba.jpg.html)
Color layer pictures:
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140926_131746_zpsbf722897.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140926_131746_zpsbf722897.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140926_122213_zpsc144fd7e.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140926_122213_zpsc144fd7e.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140926_122535_zps20671873.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140926_122535_zps20671873.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140926_131755_zpse587ec4d.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140926_131755_zpse587ec4d.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140926_131954_zps32b7d84d.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140926_131954_zps32b7d84d.jpg.html)
There was a flying insect that got attached to this one... but after a few hours of it setting... he had managed to break free :O. I was shocked. One leg was missing and I think his wings were stuck together as he just kept walking (limping) around the wheel until I blew him off... I wonder if he ate his own leg!?
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140926_131946_zps2d3953ba.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140926_131946_zps2d3953ba.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140926_131759_zpsd43f19a5.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140926_131759_zpsd43f19a5.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/IMAG0975-1-dadspic_zps28d0126a.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/IMAG0975-1-dadspic_zps28d0126a.jpg.html)
Here they are next to a rough wheel:
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140926_165707_zps60a1f25c.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140926_165707_zps60a1f25c.jpg.html)
Rough wheel pics to show what they pretty much came from :D:
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140926_152332_zps70e0c49b.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140926_152332_zps70e0c49b.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140926_152457_zpsccba4414.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140926_152457_zpsccba4414.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140926_152505_zps70f832c1.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140926_152505_zps70f832c1.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140926_152529_zps12d8a534.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20140926_152529_zps12d8a534.jpg.html)
And now for the grand finale! I appreciate peoples honest opinions on the scheme I decided to go with... today my polski fiat center caps arrived from Ludevit at 126fan.sk. When they were put on the car... I just couldn't make a decision of whether I liked them or not at all lol. But as the yellow light of day disappeared and after staring at them for so long... I think I like them, but the original bis trims don't look bad either. They suit the car very well... perhaps i've been looking at those too long! lol.
I'm quite happy though... but the best wheel (paint finish wise) got a little beat up attempting to get the damn rubber on the wheel, and is going to get prepped back up for another paint so there will be a matching awesome looking spare. :D.
Pictures:
Rubber on but not blown up (first test to see how they look off the car, and they look pretty damn good!):
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/2_zpsb7b27d5d.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/2_zpsb7b27d5d.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/3_zps0ef2574a.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/3_zps0ef2574a.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/4_zpsaf73976c.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/4_zpsaf73976c.jpg.html)
Pulling valves through:
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/5_zps00280c59.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/5_zps00280c59.jpg.html)
On the car:
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/6_zps662c1fbf.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/6_zps662c1fbf.jpg.html)
And for comparison:
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/7_zps73c4ebca.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/7_zps73c4ebca.jpg.html)
And now the shot of the center cap to top it all off:
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/8_zpsd2ca7517.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/8_zpsd2ca7517.jpg.html)
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friend of mine got me 4 front and 4 rear bump stops in poland for the massive some of £15 delivered to him in poland , he then brought them back to me with him when he came back owennw
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Looks fantastic with the steelies, Well done man :thumbup
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Cheers Pete!
I keep thinking "perhaps should I of had them banded" to fill the arches out but I guess small tyres = greater MPG.
Perhaps spacers might be on the cards and possible that I may end up flipping the leaf and chopping springs like most but standard has always been the plan for now.
Best to see how the factory geometry behaves though!
I just realized the car is insured now :o. I wonder if I can get an MOT slot somehow tomorrow anywhere!
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Excellent work :D they look soooooo much better than the sie alloys. Looks like all that hard works gonna pay off after the MOT. Keep up the good work :)
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Much to like here keep it up! :D
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Looks great. Im doing the same with my wheels. Looking at yours has confirmed to me thats the way to go. Got the small black hub caps from poland. I have cousin over there so he sends me parts from time to time. Loving the car.
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Thanks for the kind works everyone :)... couldn't get her in for MOT today so tomorrow it is! I need to get some stainless wheel bolt caps to set the wheels off further (I have almost 3 wheels worth of them lying around but no more from an old box of parts :() lol.
Sorted out the battery clamp scenario, secured the rear bumper, secured the trim plastics and secured the rear panel with some new stainless allen cap bolts!
Just need to do a little more trim painting (front and rear bumpers, front plastic panel quarter things, rear air vents, door handles and filler cap) to be happy for now!
Took a few pictures...
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20141001_152604_zpsfa8ac792.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20141001_152604_zpsfa8ac792.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20141001_142057_zps27ddb15d.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20141001_142057_zps27ddb15d.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20141001_152612_zps767817ca.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20141001_152612_zps767817ca.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20141001_152641_zps40cb602f.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20141001_152641_zps40cb602f.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20141001_152628_zps644bc1bd.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20141001_152628_zps644bc1bd.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20141001_152648_zps5cf7529f.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20141001_152648_zps5cf7529f.jpg.html)
(http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20141001_152653_zpsfb23bdca.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/Fiat%20126%20Restoration/20141001_152653_zpsfb23bdca.jpg.html)
P.S. I need a polish friend to try and sort out a CC700 rocker cover for me as I've had 0 luck attempting to get a reply from any sellers on Allegro :(
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I might have a spare bis rocker cover if you want. I'll have a dig around for it if you want. Simon.
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May be useful cheers :), I bought a new one from fischer 500 in Germany but still got a little seapage which I can't even see dripping... might still be burning off the exhaust from previous issues though as its only when the exhaust is hot and clears up if left to idle. I wanted a CC700 one because they're cast and therefore not going to bend so easily :D.
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Likewise! I too want the alloy one as the look soooo muh better than my rusty steel one ;D
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Could you post the link from which you bought those gearbox brackets and how much where they for the pair? :/ mine are more dead that yours were lol, could do with the replacement,
Thanks dom
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Just got back from the MOT station... After a nail biting wait... It passed :D. Need to go to post office to tax as none of the new systems know what to do with it!
Dom the gearbox mounts were from axel gerstl in Germany but I think forum user "robin" has some available here in the UK. :).
The car clocked 40mph from its own steam which is a first (apart from the terrifying journey back from buying it!).
Off to the post office now, wish me luck!
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Congratulations! Best of luck with taxing it, I had the problem last year of having lost the old log book, two house moves will do that, and had to pay the DVLA £40.00 for a new registration document. But it was all OK in the end. Enjoy!
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All taxed and mot'd!
When I was about to pull off from my dads to bring the car home I suddenly lost all power and the car seemed like it had ran out of fuel... bought another can of fuel and topped her up, and still no good... switched the battery over for a known good strong one and seems to be working... when I pulled up outside home though 7 miles later I noticed the battery light flickering on and off a little but then settled to off... thinking could be signs of a knackered alternator perhaps although it was having to work quite hard with the last battery :(. Will see what tomorrow brings if I don't go for another drive in it this evening lol.
Not sure if its just me or if the exhaust is making a racket, but at anything higher than low rpm it seemed to be a bit noisy from the back...
I'm wondering if the fuel pump is up to much or perhaps the gasket I put on was wrong and maybe the rod is dancing around... I just don't know :D.
It only changes with RPM and seems quite consistent... so hoping its just the vibing exhaust :D.
Could the back rubber engine mount be tightened too much?
I have nothing to compare it to!
Got me home and feels good on the road at 50mph no problem, only managed about 5mph faster than that to be honest! The hydrocarbons test limit was at 1200ppm, the car on test only had 43ppm... I think the CO2 % limit was around 3.4% but the cars CO2 output was 0.2%.
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Congratulations buddy :D its a wonderful feeling getting it MOT'd and getting on the open road :).
You'll find that after a mammoth rebuild such as yours had you'll notice a few things not right - I had no end of teething problems with mine when I fitted my rebuilt engine. The exhaust was blowing, the throttle cable was fitted wrong I had a water leak and an oil leak from the rocker plus loads of ignition problems but one by one you'll fix them :)
Happy motoring! :D
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Seems something is loose within the exhaust causing the racket! Noticed a bit of an oil leak which I can't put my finger on in the dark... possibly the timing cover :( lol. Drive belt seems ok but perhaps the idle just went a little too low for a few seconds before picking back up enough. Starting easy enough :)...
Forgot to mention I had a pap or two on the drive back from people that I think must have been amused to have seen it on the road. One from a car and one from a big HGV coming the other way :D.
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Yeah you'll get that especially from the polish :D and occasional boy racers in golfs and fiestas taking the piss bouncing up and down in the car......... There just jealous :D
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Aha yeah, of course they must of been Polish :D. I'll keep an eye out to see who looks, but I bet 90% will be local polish lol.
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I agree with Gadge they are just jealous, i get alot of that down here especialy with my yellow/orange 126. the readings from the mot its not co2 its co and it looks to me as if your running a little lean for the likeing of a classic engine. i personally run my engines around 1.7% co but generaly it should be about 1.5 to 2.5% co. the co2 has a completely different reading normally between 12-14%.
mike
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I did consider perhaps it is running a little lean after seeing those readings... i'm guessing that's just at idle but will see how unscrewing the idle mixture screw affects the cars running tomorrow perhaps :). I need an exhaust fabricating and a lambda installing... and some new jets :D.
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Well... the car lasted a trip back to my parents after the MOT the day before lol. It seems that my exhaust shook came loose, broke... I lost a fair amount of oil but couldn't exactly see where... and then the car would just not idle properly... It would tick over but was up and down up and down... so puzzled began to strip down the car again!
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Whipped of the exhaust first and welded it back up (but a new one is on the cars... i'm wondering if the pipe diameter is just 1.25" and the flange is just a universal 2 hole 2.5" like this:
(http://www.mandrel-bends.com/catalog/images/ef2-125big.JPG)
There is a place local that sells all kinds of angle mandrel bent stainless pipe for possibly fabricating an exhaust up. I took a few rough measurements using verniers from my existing flanges on the exhaust and seems the holes are 9mm and sit around 65.4mm apart, pipe inner diameter 27.9mm, pipe outer diameter 32.44mm.
I proceeded to strip down the carb and replace all diaphrams, needle valve, o rings etc and also found that the float was fractured in 2 places and holding fuel in... managed to fix it up and checked weight at 11 grams.
Anyway... today we put it all back on the car and now I could hear the engine it was still up and down a little at idle and we were pretty clueless as to what the issue was still...
So anyway, I decided to investigate the oil leak at the timing cover:
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And it turns out that the terrible "Athena" front crank oil seal had worked loose (rubbish interference fitting, and the headgaskets and everything else i've seen from them has been really poor to be honest! Avoid at all cost!) and oil was p*ssing out as it was just loose really! Luckily I had some "Corteco" ones in my spares collection i've accumulated and this was a much better fit. Decided to fit it with loctite 648 bearing retaining compound to help secure it and make sure it doesn't spin and machine the timing cover!
Using the old rubbish seal to help drive it in (but a flat block of wood helped better to start!):
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Seal pressed back in:
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Fitting back to the car:
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As the timing cover was off the oil ended up being drained from there... and I noticed a fair amount of overhaul swarf in the filter and in the oil... unsure on whether to worry about how much was there so will keep a close ear out and check the oil again in the future.
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Also took apart the Zelmot dizzy once again but everything looked fine regarding the bob weights and everything really so still puzzled...
Anyway, fitted everything back together and then proceeded to see exactly how much fuel the pump was pushing through... managed to start filling up a milk bottle pretty quickly to be honest so definitely enough pressure there i'd of thought!
Another thing we did today was change the in-line fuel filter as it never fills up much and pretty sure it was installed backwards by previous owner... and very very dirty! Decided to take it out and managed to find a nice replacement at a local motor factors:
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Still doesn't fill up much really but delivers constant rate of fuel to the carb thats definately cleaner and its less restrictive at the same time.
So anyway... at this point was at a cross roads and decided not to take the head off just yet, and put everything back together. Fired her up and managed to get it running somehow with playing with the carb mixture, idle screw and revving the engine a little... and it seemed to tick over fine once again (no hunting!). I drove the car up to the petrol station as it seems the float in the tank is stuck after parking on a curb and made me think I really needed some... got back in the car and it would not start no matter how much I tried... laboured turning.
Pushed it off the forecourt and had my dad rescue me with some jump leads, although it didn't seem to help much to begin with (with the diesel van idling and they're big jump leads!) connected to the battery... then proceeded to connect the negative clamp to the batteries ground on the body of the car rather than direct to the battery. Revved the van up and then turned the fiat over at the same time (which turned over absolutely no problem effortlessly at this point in time!). Alternator is putting out 13.7v and the battery should be good as its new :(... not sure if alternator should putting out more like 14.5v or so but will see if I can check it in the manual. With lights on drops to about 13.5v.
Drove it back home with him escorting me no problems and the car is definately running better than it has... it actually pulls of its own steam and is nippy finally. But wondering what the next steps are... perhaps cleaning up all earths possible? :). Hopefully it will start tomorrow... lol.
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Well... finally the car is back on the road after a weekend of waiting for parts!
Fingers crossed all is well, no oil leaks, no oil lights... just purring along now rather nicely :).
The oil level appeared to have risen possibly due to a leaking fuel pump diaphram... I bought a new pump from nathan at fiat 500 classic. I was also having issues with a leaking oil pressure sensor, this ended up also failing, not just by leaking but bt giving me a low oil pressure warning light at idle and then at higher speeds... I was considering perhaps the crank shells would need to be replaced. Just teething problems though after being off the road for an unknown 10+ years and being built from the ground up lol. Thankfully I don't have to strip the engine down once again!
Made its first trip to Mcdonalds today and had a pap from a very eastern european looking HGV driver again who was looking out of his window and waving like a mad man sat in traffic, must have brought a smile to his day lol. Definately seems to be the theme... 4/5 journeys i've had it.
Whilst sitting parked at Mcdonalds had a fair few looks, in particular a young girl looking puzzled and amused at the site of it... but there was 3 fairly big guys in the thing so it probably does look strange!
The journey home was pretty much, much of the same... rush hour traffic so people able to point and stare to take it in lol. All ages of guys in vans to vectra's pointing and probably wondering what the hell it was... but seems to bring a smile to nearly everyone that sees it.
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Well now... I've experienced a good month of 126 BIS motoring and today made some awesome overtakes with some good planning in advance and sneaking around into unused lanes at roundabouts because I could fit where others couldn't! lol.
No hiccups along the way either!
First fill up cost me about £17, second about £14.03 and today I filled her up after taking note of the mileage i've done... (I feel theres much more left in the tank, but the fuel level indicator was showing as being just below the bottom after 120 miles the total amount came to £14.24... I did some calculations and I can say i've easily achieved 46.71mpg and I even tried to reach top speed once or twice... this MPG on an urban cycle to really... I can see no problems in hitting the 55+mpg mark or even into the 60's with some slipstreaming!
I love being able to have change out of £20... but out of £15... even better! :).
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Awesome! They really are such fun, especially the looks on faces as you breeze past them. Brilliant you got it sorted, looks like it was a right pain.
Marc
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Well... the car is still running fine after the cold winter which it braved by only sitting through it. It had been disabled after around 600 miles after the rebuild and running in period... the exhaust that was welded together precariously for the MOT decided it couldn't hack any more bodge repairs. I then set about hunting down a stainless exhaust for it but during this whole period (of not being able to drive the 126!) I ended up buying an exhaust from Ebay.de, wire brushed and painted it up in halfords high temperature paint only managed to get a little over a couple of coats out of two cans but certainly looks good now and will last :).
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Owes me about £65-70 and a couple of hours which isn't too bad. So I can finally drive it around, certainly quieter than I last remember... you might see why... I had to limp home like this:
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So whilst I was planning on making a stainless exhaust and designing flanges, I got thinking and ended up getting sidetracked with the idea of a turbo... CAD'ing up flanges, cylinder head gasket designs, decompression plate design. Been watching ebay for a suitable carb but nothing came up just yet at the right price... EFI might be another option. With each of these thoughts I seem to have been set back along the way, as it could of all been done by now theoritically :D. A welder I bought turned out to be no good so I had to buy another at a larger financial setback :D (long story short, long story is that I spent a few weeks trying to figure out what was wrong on the rats next of circuitry!).
Got a little click happy on auctions for turbos when considering it and ended up winning one from Japan which needs a real good clean inside, will rebuild it and replace journal bearing etc. (http://i1344.photobucket.com/albums/p647/poxxxy/IHI%20RHF3%20VL37%20Turbo%2014%20Tjet%20MA%20120bhp/20150220_120206_zpsaqj8kdfk.jpg) (http://s1344.photobucket.com/user/poxxxy/media/IHI%20RHF3%20VL37%20Turbo%2014%20Tjet%20MA%20120bhp/20150220_120206_zpsaqj8kdfk.jpg.html) not sure if the scale will come off the compressor blades on that one so it may need to be replaced/balanced also. Actuator bracket also arrived sheared from the wastegate arm. It looks like it would be the one for the fiat really as the collector is small enough to get the turbo spinning and would be giving full boost early in the rpm range... although top end would be limited to about 50-60bhp (conservative... maybe more!?). I ended up with another turbo from ebay.it for 200 euro which after more research which would be good for 20psi theoritcally, this an IHI RHF3 VL37 from a 1.4 t-jet, bought with plans for 80bhp of intercooled power.
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This arrived without the v-band clamp to hold the two sides together and also the actuator bracket broken off, does noone understand how to remove a circlip!? :). This is a fair bit bigger than the RHF3 VQ38 spec I won from Japan. More "Pint sized" as opposed to the coke can sized VQ38 from Daihatsu... On this the exhaust housing collector is much bigger... i'm not sure the two 1.25" primaries from the cylinder head would get it spooling quite as quick as we'd like but maybe... Its a quite capable turbo for 600-1400cc engines.
Then I ended up buying an engine from ebay and having a friend on facebook collect it for me on his way back home, unfortunately it appears a small part of the block and the oil housing cover both took a beating with the grinder when removed from the poor 126 BIS it was taken from a few years ago by the looks of things. Came complete with a weber carb, though which will be worth rebuilding although missing something on the choke linkage at the bottom, an alternator, dizzy (more importantly a zelmot dizzy cap to steal for my blue 126 BIS!.). Oh and yes another exhaust which i'd ordered a few days prior from Germany, typical! I think the engine might be a little siezed as I couldn't move it by hand but maybe not :). Either way... its something I can play with for turboing/exhaust fitting! Worst case there's a crank, a camshaft that could be sent away for an NA hot cam reprofile and hardening, some pistons... a block to play with... possibilities are endless :).
Now I need a pipe bender that will produce half decent results with a few tooling dies so I can get cracking on with both exhaust and turbo manifold projects! Buying premade bends seems like an option but could end up quite expensive in the end and slow things down, as would building a pipe bender. There are some interesting pipe bender plans so perhaps I might be able to fabricate something now I have a working TIG welder :).
I have recently been considering perhaps using the turbo's on something a little more radical as the whole investment into the BIS engine will result in either entire devotion to keeping my 126 on the road and in my possession... I have the spare engine to work with so I could keep the original rebuilt engine to throw back in there to revert it back to its original self in the future. It seems the prices for 126's are at a fairly stable high at the moment and as they are getting rarer, I wonder how my own car would be valued on the market with the engine rebuild and bringing it back to life after god knows how many years. Loads and loads of receipts and photo evidence I guess so should be respectable :). Perhaps I should sell it and help fund another project :). Its a hard choice on what to do! If I parted ways with this one, its not always good bye... another project isn't so daunting :). The funds would certainly come in handy. But I do love it and gotta love the handling and whole driving experience. I love the way the steering feels when pottering down the road... such an easy ride.
For now I need to find somewhere I can clean up the spare engine and work on it, as at the moment its in the back of the 126! Sitting quite low, a good test for the springs! Thankfully one journey like that was all its having!
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Been a while since i've had weather and time on my side to have a play in tarting up the car a little more :). Although it really needs a good clean (bird crap the side of a human head on the roof which appeared the other day). Decided to paint up the bumpers a little... 2 cans later and pretty much there. The back and front certainly look much fresher :).
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Also had to rescue the missus as she had a puncture, left the car at her old dears and picked her up in the little maluch... oh and I forgot to mention, whilst I was masking up that side of the car. A guy pulled up just in front of my car on his way out of the little cul de sac opposite. He stopped to get a picture and said that he owned 2 650cc's back in Poland, had not seen any over here and that he had not heard of the water cooled variant ever being sold in Poland so it was export only? :). Either way, nice to meet you!
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Looks good mate, i like what you've done with the wheels to :good:
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That's a great improvement. I want to paint my bumpers and sides after seeing this. :good:
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Your cars looking awesome bud :thumbup it's cleaned up really well....... Plus I love them wheels!! Keep up the great work ;D
Oh almost forgot how's the turbo project going? :)
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Thanks guys, i've been meaning to get around to painting the bumpers for quite some time but the cans of bumper paint from halfords certainly don't go far!
RE: the turbo project... finances and trying to make some space for a "workshop" so I can get to, and more importantly use all of the fabrication gear I've been collecting have kind of slowed things down :). But this summer will hopefully see some progress! I still ponder the idea daily, and that engine is loud enough already in the back after a while :). I keep my eyes out for potential turbo carbs but haven't came across one for the right money just yet, and then there is still the idea of just going EFI with a throttle body if I can get the funds together to just get everything in one!
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Hope you get it done then :D work shop space is very important - there's no way I could've done half of what I did without a workshop ;)
I don't know much about turbos but will the standard BIS weber work with a turbo?
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Apparently any can be made to work... how much work will be involved, i'm not quite sure of :). It wouldn't be too bad... just have to figure out the timing aspect if sticking with carbs!
Today I decided to give her a wash, polish and wax in preperation for visiting Stanford Hall on the 28th. Will be the longest run it will have had... i'm not sure what route i'm going to take just yet!
The car ended up striking up two conversations today with admirers, one before the polish and one during!
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The car ended up striking up two conversations today with admirers, one before the polish and one during!
Thats one thing i love about the fiat, no matter were we take it we have people flashing and waving and strangers coming over for a chat, first car we've owned that's ever managed that lol :D
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I'll be at Stanford too :D so I'll have to get mine polished up as well :) where a outs are you coming from?
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The BIS got to meet luigi today. Gadge has done a great job! Its first longer run than 15 mile journeys and all at a decent motorway pace :). 60 miles each way.
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The engine and box will probably come down shortly as I need to check the rear crank seal and also how the gearbox is doing with the 20/50 mineral oil in after a good running in period.
It was a good shakedown run and quite hair raising in high winds on the motorway at 70mph. There was another 126 that appeared. a "D" reg air cooled with rough plastic bumpers... burgundy-ish in color... probably one of the last UK air cooleds but not to my taste at all... have a guess how much they were advertising it at... £3995!? Steep indeed... i'd hope it was 1 owner from new and even then couldn't fathom it :).
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Well, after a hectic and busy auction... 220 watchers and 5000 views over 10 days... 47 bids... the BIS reached a fair £2150 after the winner had already offered me an early £2300 cash offer to end the auction :D.
Yesterday it was finally picked up and put on a transporter (somewhat hair raisingly!) and on its way off to Hull to the new owners Paul and Jan. I've had a couple of pictures from them and will try to add the last few pictures I had of the car on here.
The decision to sell was tough, but i'm glad I sold it in the manner through ebay to reach a fair valuation and establish and validate some market value for other owners.
So this thread is over for now. I'm sure Paul and Jan will see that she gets the love she deserves and glad that the car went to a couple who will enjoy the car as much as I did. More smiles being spread around the country! Maybe i'll see her one day again, I might even have to pay some trips up north some time in hope that I might spot it driving around! I will still frequent the forum as I still have an engine that I want to play with once a few other commitments are ticked off the to do list!
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It was nice to meet you bud. :thumbup: your car looked amazing and I take my hat off to you for getting it back on the road from a box of bits ;D it's not often you hear of one being put back on the road (there usually butchered up) so it's a relive that it's gone to a good home :)
And what a price! :D this shows just how much thses little cars are worth now and has filled me with a lot of confidence should I ever sell mine. Good luck with your next project mate ! ;)