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Fiat 126 Chat => Fiat 126 Mechanical Problem Solving => Topic started by: westfieldman on March 10, 2012, 08:49:00 PM
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It's official - I am a numpty.
I removed the dizzy for a good ol' clean and brush up - then span the engine over with it removed.
As there is much chat on here about the possible inacurate markings on the timing indicators - can anyone tell me how to be sure I have TDC and how to put the dizzy back where it came from - correctly timed!!!
Thanks in advance - feel free to take the p**s - this old bloke should know better. :D
(P.S. 126 air cooled)
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Hi ya get yourself a strobelight for about £10 of ebay.
As for being a muppet I have just done something this week to my Bis( but my lips are sealed on that one) :$ Lets just say I can't believe I did what I did cuz if I did post it I don't think I could live it down :$ :$ :secret:
Oh as for dizzy I did exactly the same as you sometime ago, but if you look in the manual it tells you how to do it.
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;D We've all done that :thumbup You need to find TDC on No1 Cylinder which is the one at the back of the engine, No2 is nearest the pulley's. Two ways of doing this one is to remove the rocker cover rotate the engine till the valves on No1 Cyl are fully closed this should also line up with the TDC mark on the front pulley and timing cover, then drop the distributor in and time up, Or If you have already timed the distributor up but the engine won't start the timing could be 180 Deg out, in that case line up the TDC marks, undo distributor pull out and rotate the engine one full turn then refit and time up. Being a subscriber the pictures are on pages 27-29 of the aircooled manual in the subscriber section
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Pete I'd hate to correct you :P no 1 nearest to fly wheel
126, 600 652 cc 1978-87 Engine Code 126A.000/048
Ignition data
126, 600
Ignition system type: CB
Ignition coil make/type: Ma/BE200B
Supply voltage: 11 - Volts without ballast resistor
Primary resistance: 3.1-3.4 Ohms
Secondary resistance: 6500-8250 Ohms
Distributor make/type: Ma/S152A
Contact breaker gap/air: 0.5 mm
Dwell angle: 75-81 Deg
Ignition Timing - unleaded: n / a Deg eng/rpm (without vacuum)
Ignition Timing - leaded: 10/800 Deg eng/rpm (without vacuum)
Timing mark location: Pulley
No 1 plug location: Flywheel
Firing Order: 1-2
Spark plug make: Marelli
Spark plug type: CW78NP
Electrode gap: 0.65 mm
Fuel System
126, 600
Fuel type: L
Fuel pump type/pressure: Mech/0.15-0.20 bar
Engine idle speed: 850 50 rpm
Fast idle speed: n / a rpm
CO level at idle speed: 2.0-3.0 Vol %
Engine Data
126, 600
Valve clearance - inlet: 0.20 c mm (cold)
Valve clearance - exhaust: 0.25 c mm (cold)
Compression pressure: 7.5-8.0 bar
Oil pressure: 2.5-3/- bar/eng/rpm
Radiator pressure cap: n / a bar/type
Drive belt 1 - size: 9.5x800 KDB800 mm/type
Drive belt 2 - size: n / a mm/type
Electrical System
126, 600
Alternator output: 16/2000 Amps/eng/rpm
Regulated output: 13.9-14.5 Volts
Battery: 12/34 V/Ah
Starter motor make/type: Ma/B76-0.5kW
Other data
126, 600
Clutch operation type: Cable
Clutch adjustment: As B.Pedal mm
Cambelt failure: n / a
Cambelt Part Number: n / a
Tyre pressures: 1.4(20)f 2.0(28)r bar (psi)
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126 BIS, 703 cc 1987- Engine Code 126A2000/048
Ignition data
126 BIS,
Ignition system type: CB
Ignition coil make/type: Ma/BZ600A
Supply voltage: 11 - Volts without ballast resistor
Primary resistance: 1.42-1.54 Ohms
Secondary resistance: 8100-9900 Ohms
Distributor make/type: Ma/5314A
Contact breaker gap/air: 0.37-0.45 mm
Dwell angle: 75-81 Deg
Ignition Timing - unleaded: 10/800 Deg eng/rpm (without vacuum)
Ignition Timing - leaded: 10/800 Deg eng/rpm (without vacuum)
Timing mark location: Pulley
No 1 plug location: Flywheel
Firing Order: 1-2
Spark plug make: Marelli
Spark plug type: F7LCR
Electrode gap: 0.6-0.7 mm
Fuel System
126 BIS,
Fuel type: L/U
Fuel pump type/pressure: Mech/0.15-0.20 bar
Engine idle speed: 800-900 rpm
Fast idle speed: n / a rpm
CO level at idle speed: 1.0 0.5 Vol %
Engine Data
126 BIS,
Valve clearance - inlet: 0.15 c mm (cold)
Valve clearance - exhaust: 0.15 c mm (cold)
Compression pressure: n / a bar
Oil pressure: n / a bar/eng/rpm
Radiator pressure cap: 0.98 bar/type
Drive belt 1 - size: 9.5x813 KDB813 mm/type
Drive belt 2 - size: n / a mm/type
Electrical System
126 BIS,
Alternator output: 45/3000 Amps/eng/rpm
Regulated output: 14.0-14.3 Volts
Battery: 12/34 V/Ah
Starter motor make/type: Bo/0.6 kW
Other data
126 BIS,
Clutch operation type: Cable
Clutch adjustment: 20 Below B.Ped. mm
Cambelt failure: n / a
Cambelt Part Number: n / a
Tyre pressures: 1.5(21)f 2.0(28)r bar (psi)
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You need to find TDC on No1 Cylinder which is the one at the back of the engine, No2 is nearest the pulley's
:P :P
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"You are making me dizzy my head is spinning" ;D
Hey could be a song there somewhere ;)
So in the cold light of day and with the cactus juice wearing off some of you guys :P
Haynes Manual - Chapter 4 - Ignition Timing - Section 8 - Ignition Timing Ajustment - Clause 5 -
THE FACT THAT No. 1 PISTON (NEAREST REAR OF CAR) etc :)
Feeling better now ? How many fingers can you see ? :D
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I did the same, had to lift it to access fuel pump bolts and accidently turned it. Found the old fashioned trial and error method worked.
Marc
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So which one is it? Lol Haynes manual says one thing other manuals say another......
The cylinder closest to the pulley is at the top first??
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Cylinders are numbered towards where the torque output is.
It's been mentioned before ;D http://club126uk.co.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3229.0
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Number one cylinder is always the one nearest to the timimg chain/belt with one exception in the Fiat/Lancia/Alfa familly. Who can tell me which engine it is? Rusty?
Allan
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Why me ? I know nothing !
My best shot would be the new electric powered Fiat 500 or the old Fiat/Lada based Vaz that ran a rotary engine :D