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Fiat 126 Chat => Fiat 126 Mechanical Problem Solving => Topic started by: 126redbomb on February 24, 2012, 09:19:46 PM
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After taking my BIS out for a whizz around the block, when I got back there was mess coming out of the carb and the oil cap was gooe.
I was wondering if the head gasket gone or can I get away with just flushing it out? I removed the thermo housing and I was expecting a disc shape thermo inside but NO! So is the BIS thermo different? Or has mine been removed? And if so, how can the water get into the oil?
To be honest there was gunk in the oil before but this is now more like cappuccino (all I need is chocolate sprinkle for the topping). :$
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The milky bit underneath the oil cap is an omen.
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Hold on you can get milky on the oil cap from just condensation!
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I was gonna say that Ciao!!
From the carb or oilbreather pipe at the filter?
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Now I am scared!!!
SO head off?
Does it need scimming? :cry:
Ciao la gente, come tutti sono?
I did just think it was just condensation before this, but when is condensation not condensation? when it become a flood?
Gunk in both breath and carb ( yes I get the lot)
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Did it overheat? or has it ever/recently overheated?
Think skimming is only absolutely essential if the head has warped, just advisable (but often causes no problems if you don't) otherwise, mind you, my head gasket experience is from ta22 celicas, not 126's.
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I would love to have a go at doing the head gasket myself but I know I will **** it up!
It has over heated in the past, but like I say I have'nt got a clue if there is a thermo.
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Check the oil on the dipstick and check the coolant. If the oil on the dipstick is 'cappucino' like and the coolant looks like it's been contaminated with oil then it's more likely a head gasket problem. (Also take out the spark plugs and crank the engine to see if there's some water in the cylinders...) If the thermostat was removed at some point then it was because it was always overheating, maybe because there was air in the system or old coolant or the coolant level was low (leak somewhere) or the fan might not be working. To maintain water cooled engines: coolant needs changing at intervals (coolant as in anti freeze not just water) then a proper bleeding of the system and check to make sure the cooling fan operates at the correct temperature.
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When you rebuild I would get head skimmed as a matter of course! Also get yourself a new Copper head gasket cos they are better that the original cardboard like ones! ;)
You can get the head skimmed at any engineering shop worth there salt, the one in Rugby that I use is not expensive I take in the head and they skim it!
It is not too hard a job I would go for it!
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ciaoflyer have you got there number and address please?
My wife is now really fed-up that I have now got two little 126 on the drive doing nothing and she wants one moving. I know there is a manual for the BIS but has anyone done a break down of a head removal and fit.
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Here they are
http://www.rugbyonline.org.uk/info/418/
I have not been for a while but think they still do business, I am going to Rugby today so I will see if they are deff still there!
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Hi Ciaoflyer did you have any luck rugby? If you didnt get a chance, no worries I will try and call them tomorrow.
Roughly how much do you think it would cost to have the head skimmed!
I take it the engines has to come out? This scares the life out of me!
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Hi yes went yesterday but it is not RMES anymore it is WARDS ENGINEERING and the number is
01788 543900
Unfortunately now they have a different name I am not sure what they are like but they are still engine rebuilders so probably not changed that much, ring them and see what they say!
http://www.upmystreet.com/findmynearest/b2b/wards-engineering-located-in-rugby-71648B-engine-rebuilders.html
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Cheers, thanks for that Ciaoflyer.
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You can remove the 'head with the engine still in...
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I have just priced up for the head to be skimmed and its £40, but if I pay for the head and gasket to be done its £80 including vat. The only worry I have got is, he is not going to fit a copper gasket. But he did say it will last a for years?
GTMaster tell me more?
If there anyone who has done a breakdown of how to do it I would greatly aprreciate it.
It probably is a piece of piss easy job, but I am a muppet and I do need some guidance( ok, alot)
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After having my cyl head skimmed in 2005 i re-assembled it with the standard head gasket (Payne) Not had any problem with it.
1. Drain the water and oil
2. Disconnect the battery
3. Remove the air filter on the back panel and carb
4. Disconnect all the pipes and cables connected to the carb
5. Remove the carb (4 nuts)
6. Remove the inlet manifold (4 bolts)
7. Remove the Exhaust and brackets
8. Remove the 2 rocker cover nuts
9. Remove the rocker shaft (2 nuts)
10. Remove the 8 domed nuts (2 are in the inlet manifold inlets) + 3 bolts at the bottom
11. Rotate the engine and that should break the seal between the head and block
12. slide the head off
13. Take the head to be skimmed flat
14. Clean all surfaces
15. Re-assemble
Being a Subscriber you can also check out the Bis manual :thumbup
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Pete126 You are a STAR! :D
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I have just priced up for the head to be skimmed and its £40, but if I pay for the head and gasket to be done its £80 including vat. The only worry I have got is, he is not going to fit a copper gasket. But he did say it will last a for years?
GTMaster tell me more?
If there anyone who has done a breakdown of how to do it I would greatly aprreciate it.
It probably is a piece of piss easy job, but I am a muppet and I do need some guidance( ok, alot)
Was this price from Wards, Rugby?
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Yes mate, I'm just having a thinking session at the moment cuz the tax has run out today and I'm wondering how quick can I get it back on the road.
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Can someone tell me, if there is no thermostat in the car how come the needle moves when it gets hot?
Yes I am going to get it sorted out but this is baffling me!! I took the housing off and couldn't see a thermostat inside. :-X
I filled her up with just water (OH why did you do that I can hear you say) I wanted to know if it will start.
It will run (with loads of white smoke) but as soon I have to stop, the engine dies and the battery light comes on, so I have to fire her up again. I'm sorry if this is making someone scream at the thought of the damage I might be doing, but I have to get her going to get her to the garage! :$
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The thermostat is used to regulate the water temperature and keep engine running at a constant working temperature, the hotter the engine gets the thermostat opens wider to let more water flow through the system, When you take the thermostat out of the system the engine has to warm up all the water in the system so it takes allot longer for the engine to warm up, It will register on the temperature gauge but not as high as the water is at full flow through the radiator all the time, Without the thermostat you will notice that when the engine is under pressure like climbing up hills or driving fast the temperature gauge will start to creep up the gauge but should not overheat, If the system is flushed out every couple of years and refilled its best to keep the thermostat as running the engine without means they never run at there most efficient temperature which in turn means less MPG and more engine ware.
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Cheers Pete, I will use a thermostat when I get mine sorted. Thanks again.
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Yes definitely have a new thermostat put in as it will help the engine reach operating temperature quicker in winter (and improve heating as well.)