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Fiat 126 Chat => Tuning & Customising 126 Models => Topic started by: Darrell on August 25, 2009, 05:53:16 PM

Title: engine swaps
Post by: Darrell on August 25, 2009, 05:53:16 PM
Anyone thought of the suzuki alto three cylinder engine, 800 or 1000cc?

Three cylinder might be short enough  [-/
Title: Re: engine swaps
Post by: prkahrvat on August 26, 2009, 12:54:23 AM
i am thinking of putting yougo koral 45 engine in my 126p. its 900 with 45 Hp so i think that 1000 from alto will suite fine...
Title: Re: engine swaps
Post by: baked one on August 26, 2009, 10:58:57 AM
thinking about three cylinder my mates brother has a mk6 vw polo which is a 1.2 but i think its a 20v which makes up fo it only having 3 cylinders this hooked up to a beetle gearbox would be short enough for the 126 the power to weght ratio will be too good
Title: Re: engine swaps
Post by: Darrell on August 26, 2009, 11:15:12 AM
Looks great that little polo engine  [-/
Title: Re: engine swaps
Post by: 1973/126 on August 26, 2009, 11:26:09 AM
 Does it mean it has got 6.6 valves per cylinder? :oops:
 I know someone who has got a car with this engine, and cylinder head gasket has gone under 60k mls, which is not impressive with a modern car. Don`t like uneven number of cylinders. Unless it would be the Audi 5 cylinder.
 Check this one out on German eBay. It has got a Skoda gearbox coupled to a Punto 1.2 engine. There is a familiar 126 pick up in the background. Maybe our friend Andi could give us some more info on this car.

 http://cgi.ebay.de/Fiat-126-Tuningfahrzeug-sehr-schnell_W0QQitemZ260467205837QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAutomobile?hash=item3ca50e26cd&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14
Title: Re: engine swaps
Post by: Dom on August 26, 2009, 04:02:03 PM
I like that a lot.  [-/
Title: Re: engine swaps
Post by: 1973/126 on August 26, 2009, 04:58:10 PM
 What I like about it, that it`s still looking pretty standard. Even the front radiator isn`t too noticeable.
Title: Re: engine swaps
Post by: hudsonhenry on August 26, 2009, 06:17:02 PM
The problem with all of the watercooled conversions is that is that with an engine and gearbox swap and cutting big holes in the front of the car you are again in BIVA territory which means updating a whole host of other things and paying out a fortune to have it tested, not to mention it ending up on a Q plate. What we need are some innovative ideas for mounting a radiator without cutting holes in the shell... anybody got any ideas?
Title: Re: engine swaps
Post by: baked one on August 26, 2009, 07:05:49 PM
u could put the radiator in the back next to where the air intakes are like on this r1 powered 126  http://www.zatzy.com/foto-film/333634-bilder-fiat-126-r1-edition.html
thats if theres enough room beside the engine or one on either side
Title: Re: engine swaps
Post by: hudsonhenry on August 26, 2009, 07:19:54 PM
Yep, thats one way of doing it.... looks like a beautifully done conversion but is there mega negative camber on the front or is it the camera lens/angle?
Title: Re: engine swaps
Post by: bis13 on August 26, 2009, 07:50:18 PM
just a thought but would it be possible to mount a radiator on the inside of the bonnet with a scoop or scoop/louvres cut into the bonnet to direct air towards the radiator and the fan mounted behind the radiator as normal? okay it will make the bonnet look a tad weird maybe but it wont mean its changing the bodywork?
Title: Re: engine swaps
Post by: Pete126 on August 26, 2009, 08:35:51 PM
A few years ago i copied these pics from a French site ??? but could'nt find it again to get the information.
Do any members recognise what the 2 cyl motorbike engine is? or have you seen it on another site?
It looks to be a perfect fit and an excellent piece of engineering, would be great to find out what it was like when it was running :)

(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m152/pedro126/PICT2418.jpg)

(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m152/pedro126/PICT2425.jpg)

(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m152/pedro126/PICT1724.jpg)

(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m152/pedro126/PICT1781.jpg)

(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m152/pedro126/PICT1785.jpg)
Title: Re: engine swaps
Post by: bis13 on August 26, 2009, 08:43:06 PM
i remember something about a yamaha lump is it kh? 500 or 550?
Title: Re: engine swaps
Post by: hudsonhenry on August 26, 2009, 09:29:49 PM
Mic

I had thought about using the bonnet as well, on the 500 there is quite a lot if space. The bike engine in the last post looks like a neat install. Could it be a TDM 850 engine?
Title: Re: engine swaps
Post by: thepuddlejumper on August 26, 2009, 09:48:30 PM
Hi all, just a thought I know its not about engine swaps but we are talking about BIVA if we cut holes in the front valance for cooling the radiator. What is the position when fitting a sun roof either glass, steel or fabric roll back.  There are stacks of do it yourself kits instructing cutting large holes in the roof, which is a structural member, does this mean all of these intallations will require BIVA inspections? I a will be fitting a sunroof in the near future should I be concerned.

Ralph
Title: Re: engine swaps
Post by: hudsonhenry on August 26, 2009, 11:20:34 PM
Hi all, just a thought I know its not about engine swaps but we are talking about BIVA if we cut holes in the front valance for cooling the radiator. What is the position when fitting a sun roof either glass, steel or fabric roll back.  There are stacks of do it yourself kits instructing cutting large holes in the roof, which is a structural member, does this mean all of these intallations will require BIVA inspections? I a will be fitting a sunroof in the near future should I be concerned.

Ralph

That's a good point, I will see if I can find out, the problem with holes in the front is that any significant hole would reduce the strength in an important (and type approved) impact area. Structure could be put back in but this needs to be done correctly and inspected, hence BIVA.
Title: Re: engine swaps
Post by: Pete126 on August 26, 2009, 11:22:44 PM
Hi Ralph, you can phone there enquiry line. Always better to get it from the horses mouth :D

http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Dl1/Directories/DG_10012976
Title: Re: engine swaps
Post by: roobeh on August 27, 2009, 01:07:58 AM
what about a 998cc micra engine? they're bulletproof in reliability, and a 3pot so they might fit in the back of a 126 (i'm not too experienced in these matters)
Title: Re: engine swaps
Post by: thepuddlejumper on August 27, 2009, 01:22:04 PM
I have been in touch with Tomasz of TRS Racing and he can supply an adaptor plate to fit the cc and sc sporting engines to a 126 box, the cost including postage is 93 euro.

Ralph
Title: Re: engine swaps
Post by: mic on August 27, 2009, 02:57:56 PM
Any chance you could tell us there contact details please :d
Title: Re: engine swaps
Post by: Dom on August 27, 2009, 03:38:13 PM
Hi all, just a thought I know its not about engine swaps but we are talking about BIVA if we cut holes in the front valance for cooling the radiator. What is the position when fitting a sun roof either glass, steel or fabric roll back.  There are stacks of do it yourself kits instructing cutting large holes in the roof, which is a structural member, does this mean all of these intallations will require BIVA inspections? I a will be fitting a sunroof in the near future should I be concerned.

Ralph

That's a good point, I will see if I can find out, the problem with holes in the front is that any significant hole would reduce the strength in an important (and type approved) impact area. Structure could be put back in but this needs to be done correctly and inspected, hence BIVA.



Not sure what engine this is running, but the cooler mounted on the front doesn't look too secure!
Title: Re: engine swaps
Post by: thepuddlejumper on August 27, 2009, 07:17:22 PM
mic,

I will contact Tomasz to confirm it's OK to post his email here.  I think he did post it on this site some time ago.

Ralph
Title: Re: engine swaps
Post by: thepuddlejumper on August 28, 2009, 06:56:20 PM
mic, Tomasz Ceipal of TRS can be contacted at email address below


[email protected]

If you have problems contactin him let me know.

Ralph
Title: Re: engine swaps
Post by: mic on August 29, 2009, 10:10:31 AM
Thanks :) will do
Title: Re: engine swaps
Post by: roefel on October 09, 2009, 06:25:22 PM
http://allegro.pl/show_item.php?item=733351112