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Fiat 126 Chat => Tuning & Customising 126 Models => Topic started by: Rusty's Uncle on June 17, 2009, 01:49:53 PM
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:) After much research :study:, gathering brake parts & head scratching </7 I have finaly got my design for an adaptor plate at the manufacturers & subject to testing they could be in production by next week. If you have not followed my ramblings on this subject then I have spent about 12 months investigating the options for the Fiat based conversion. The best option is the set up based on the early Punto , Cinquecento & Seicento calipers & discs. Key factors Price , Availability & Fiat. Having looked at other designs I thought there was room for inprovement. Initial production set up costs & minimum order charges will mean that I will not be able to match Dajwid's under £20 option but from what I have been quoted I think I can look at a price aroud £28 which would include postage plus I can check out the holes to make sure they actualy line up with the holes in the stub axles & calipers. </
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dear uncle dave i would like a pair of these gucci style adaptor plates for my 126 if i save my pennies i shall be able to afford them and have the peace of mind that i have bought a quality designed british made product and kept an old boy in stella......put them in my shoppping basket i am coming to the checkout very soon!! [-/
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:arty: Picked up the prototypes this morning , now fitted to stub axle & looking good [-/
Could start a production run & have them available next week 8)
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Rusty.
Will they fit inside the 500/126 12" Wheel ???
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Normally 13" reqd.
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The calipers on the Sei fill it's 13" wheels quite well so I dare say 12" would be too small
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I have commited to Dajwid in getting a set of these from him, otherwise i would have come up to see you and grab a pair from you
...I think Dajwid shud be getting them soon...if he sells all of them and none left for me - i will come a knocking sir
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ps- if you thinik it is a good idea - i would gladly help in making a set of idiots guide instructions with photos on "how to do...front brake disc conversions"?
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I would like to order a set, and I also need to come get that rear screen off you :oops:
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:) Hi Guys , like I said on the other thread I do not want to upstage Dajwid & his efforts so no problem with that Riz [-/
These things are probably going to end up like London buses, can't get one for ages then loads come along at the same time "compare the merecat" ;)
Just to recap , I have been running a "bought in" Disc Brake set up since last October on my '72 500L with standard 12" wheels. The whole lot now retails at about £530 inc delivery . By far the biggest investment on my car but it got me out of a hole at the time & kept a car that has been on the road since 1972 , 99,000 miles & still going strong. I am still on a learning curve but the more I found out about conversions the more I realised that the set up I have is quite a hybred thing, that some conversions are positively agricultural and some descriptions of DIY jobs were quite scary as they seemed to involve extensive use of an angle grinder :no:
As I like to solve problems myself & have in the past manufactured parts for Sunbeam Talbots, Morris Minors & Austin Healeys when I had access to the equipment I wanted to bust the mystery of the Disc Brake conversion for the baby Fiats.
So as an ex design draughtsman I thought that the designs I had seen looked functional but perhaps designed on a beer mat after a few Vodka shots had gone down :beer:
Phase one looks like it is pretty much sorted, that is the most economical conversion using Fiat parts. Cinquecento , Seicento , Punto brakes which require 13" wheels from those cars or from a Panda or Uno.
Phase two is to look at a set up to suit the 12" wheels. This will be more expensive as there are no stock discs that will do this job & additional machining will be required.
So I know my school report will say "Must try harder" but I am working on it ! ;D
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:oops: Of course I forgot to mention that the Bis has 13" rims :oops:
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:) OK been to see the laser cutting man this morning to get a prototype plate for a slightly smaller disc , 228 mms , & at the same time ordered a small number of the adaptor plates for the standard Cinque / Seicento / Punto set up which can be available this week. This set up is for the 13" rims & it looks like the smaller discs will require specialist machining so costs will go up unless you have got a reasonable size lathe in your garage.
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:) OK been to see the laser cutting man this morning to get a prototype plate for a slightly smaller disc , 228 mms , & at the same time ordered a small number of the adaptor plates for the standard Cinque / Seicento / Punto set up which can be available this week. This set up is for the 13" rims & it looks like the smaller discs will require specialist machining so costs will go up unless you have got a reasonable size lathe in your garage.
Just to add to this for those that don't know, the Sei/Cinq standard front discs are 240mm.
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;D I resisted the temptation this morning to throw back the sun roof & go out on a "mission". Instead I stripped down the expensive disc brake conversion that I had bought last year to see what was required to get a set up that will suit 12" wheels. All very interesting to me </3
Findings were Punto / Seicento / Cinquecento calipers , modified & machined caliper carriers , custom made adaptor mounting plate which I was pleased to discover was virtualy identical to the one I designed on my drawing board yesterday </,
machined down brake disc, machined wheel hub & I believe specialy modified disc pads. So nothing to it really ! ::)
That is without the special fasteners & connections that are required. So if you are looking at a disc brake upgrade then you can see the appeal of the 13" rim option as after that the cost is going to go up big time but I am still looking at it to see if there is any wriggle room :study:
In the meantime I will just keep on **-
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Hi all, just joined, very interested in a set of adaptor plates for the disc brake conversion. I have a set of cc calipers ready to go. Fitting either cc sporting alloys or 14" with 175 x50 tyres. Are there any more available?
Ralph
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:) Hi Ralph , welcome to the ever lively 126 forum [-/
Yes I do have some of the new improved adaptor plates available to suit your calipers & wheel size. I can post recorded delivery for an all in price of £27.
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Rusty,
Thats fine would you put a set aside for me. PM me to confirm payment method, address etc
Ralph
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Out of interest Rusty, have you looked into adaptors to do a rear conversion? I've just received a set of adaptors to put calipers on the rear of my Seicento and wonder if the design could be copied as I can't imagine it's that dissimilar
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Having sorted the conversion for the 13" wheels & got the plates made I have had to put the Disc Brake project on hold for a few weeks. My little conservatory had become a store room for a whole load of Fiat brake parts with a drawing board in the middle, did not impress my wife :oops:
I also had a test pair of adaptor plates made to suit the smallest standard Fiat disc (227mms) but fitting the disc requires either taking a skim off the outside of the hub flange or a couple of thou " from the inner shoulder of the disc. Tiny bit of work but I cant get near a lathe at the moment so have been unable to assemble the set up.
When I get back on it , probably in september , the next phase will be a set up for the 12" wheels. I think that I have solved all the problems & I am confident that the final design will be better than the expensive "bought in" set up that I am running on my car at the moment but will require the most machining / specialist work.
Now to answer your question, yes I did a little looking into rear conversions & just missed out on getting a pair of rear calipers from a Croma which I think use 227 mms discs. So I am interested in the conversion just for the challenge but it is last on the agenda. Another problem is getting hold of the parts to try out different set ups. I put out an appeal on a couple of Fiat forums for parts , even if they are worn out and I got a big zero response. To get to where I am now I had to buy Cinquecento , Seicento , Panda , early and later Punto calipers & associated parts , carriers , pads , fixings etc.
I probably need to have a sale before I get more parts in ;D.
I would be interested in any info & perhaps a photocopy of your plates for future reference though [-/
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I'll drop the plate in the scanner (not literally!) with a ruler for scale if you PM me your e-mail address. Annoyed with myself because I got some Punto GT rear calipers cheap on e-bay (£24 delivered) but cannot for the life of me find the carriers to go with them! Think I may need to take a trek out to the junkyard for a looksie [-/
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Cheers for that & will do. Yes I found out the hard way as well that it best to get complete calipers & carriers if possible as it is a pain to try & get the little bits & bobs.
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hi have you got a set of the front 240mm disc adapter plates for sale? gonna convert mine to disc at front as i got a set of cinq calipers laying around
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:) Hi , The answer is yes to that one . I just sent an e-mail before I spotted this request. I may also have front lenses also as I have a part dismantled car [-/
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Hi all, just been down to the local breakers, cutting out sunroof from a seat for my sons project, found a couple of Seicento / Cinquecento and a panda all calipers intact. The price is £15 each, the breaker is in High Bonnybridge if interested.
Ralph
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Rusty plates arrived today very nice, good quality should have the discs on this weekend. Tomasz Ciepał is on holiday so I wont recieve the TRS plates soon. I will let you know how things turn out.
Ralph
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New to all this chat room stuff - have one of you guys got adaptor plates for sale?../ seen plates for sale on the blitz buggy site; anybody know if they are any good?...need some extra braking dur to Alfa Boxer install.
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An Alfa boxer? Never thought about that one, but it sounds good. Have you got it in the car already?
As to the adaptor plates, Rusty is the one to ask.
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There are a couple of fiat 500's with alfa boxer engines in one lives in Forfar I think built in Italy by Elio, lots of mods. Boxer bolted to a 126 box. Elio used to bring it to the Scottish Alfa Club Italian day at Craigton.
Ralph
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Thanks guys, Rusty has been in touch so i'm sorted. Engine in-out-in-out-in at the moment, on number 2 engine/gearbox adaptor plate, was hoping to be on the road this summer but its looking like next now.