fiat 126 engine in my fiat 500

[richard]

hello there , i have some more detials to try and identlfy my fiat 126 engine thats in my fiat 500 ..

that ive been told is a 549cc . aircooled engine  ...


it bears the numbers fiat  126  4479407

then on the top near the rocker cover it says : s 62 ?

i have photos of it now ....  

if i can work out how to post pictures of it i will ....

please somebody help me

respect

richard

[f500126]

Richard,

Check the picture below for engine number location, it should be one of the following numbers?
110F.000
126A5.000
126A.000


To post pictures you have to upload them first to your website or a website that stores photos like photobucket or http://www.imageshack.us/
you will then have a web address for your picture.

It is then a matter of when posting a picture use the Img button enter your web address for your picture and then click Close Tags.

Use jpeg format and no larger than 450px at 72pix/in width

EXAMPLE:


Let me know how you get off with the engine number?

Do you a Fiat 500R model by any chance?

[richard]

im told its a very very late fiat 500d

im having trouble signing up to imageshack ?

can i have your email address ??  so i can forward you the pictures ?

mine is [email protected]

get in touch..

and thank you

[f500126]

It sounds very much like you have a 126 engine from what you are describing so there is no problem in fitting another 126 motor.
 
The main problem with the 500 and 126 engine swap is the gearbox bellhousing, this is because on the 500 engine the starter motor position is more or less on the top of the bell housing where as on the 126 it's lower down on the right hand side (distributor side)
 
What year is your 500 to confirm it's the D model?

[richard]

HELLO again, ive also been told its got a 126 gearbox fitted aswell ...

does this extra info help ?

[f500126]

HELLO again, ive also been told its got a 126 gearbox fitted aswell ...

does this extra info help ?

Richard,
Check the position of the starter motor this will confirm many things..

UPDATE
On checking your photos your 500 looks like a late 500F model or possibly a 500R which came with a 126 engine as standard?

[richard]

as all it says on the log book os 2 axle rigid body saloon ??

it was registered in 1972 and bears the chassis number : 3083749


as somebody told me this :
As for wich model you have, If your 500 has a painted metal dash with a round speedo and no fuel gauge it is an F, the L has a plastic dash with a rectangular instrument panel with a fuel gauge, or it could be an R which I am not that familiar with but believe was similar to the L but with a 594cc engine and a 126 chassis, these were not sold from new in the UK.


and this : The chassis number rules out a 500R. From the outside there's no way of telling the difference between the f and l as, aside form the speedo, the distinctions were more of a marketing exercise than an exact science, and such a late F/L could well be a complete mish-mash as inventories were run down

and :  Don't forget... for the L Dash to work, it must also have the fuel gauge sending unit on the gas tank (2 wires, I think). Mine only had the idiot light till I changed out the sending unit.

I have what I believe is an F model (also has an F in the chassis ID Number), but it has the L Dash.

Remember, if your car is 30-40 years old.... It could easily become a hodgepodge of parts due to multiple restorations.

The rear badges give the model? but, those are easily lost or changed.

I'm not sure about the distinctiveness of the front badges (which can also be changed)?.

* Badges with whiskers (covering the horn) on the older models, and at least some F models.

* Red Badges

* Rectangular Black & Chrome badges

 

CAN YOU SEE WHY IM CONFUSED  .....  

I KNOW THIS IS A FIAT 126 SITE....  BUT IDEALLY IM AFTER LIKE IVE SAID A REPLACEMENT ENGINE AND GEARBOX SHOULD SOMETHING HAPPEN TO MINE THATS IN AT THE MINUTE...

ANY HELP WOULD BE FANTASTIC ....    I CAN SUPPLY MANY PHOTOS THROUGH YAHOO MAIL FOR ADDITIONAL HELP IF NEEDED .. THANK YOU ..

[f500126]

Being a 1972 model it must be a 500F model.
The tell tale signs for the F model are:

Rubber carpets
No chrome strips in the windscreen rubbers
No Lock on the engine lid catch
Round speedo

These match you car.

You do find a few modifications carried out over the years by different owners which looks like they have been done too your car


Different badge on the front panel (500L badge fitted)
Seats from a 500L model (Common mod)

You do not have the L dash it's completely different it's oblong!
Also on the L model there is a small console around the gearstick.

I understand your predicament, but I believe like you that you have the F Model.

Did you find out the position of the starter motor?

[Chris Lakin]

The door cards are smooth in the F too, to me it looks like an F with 500 L bumpers (with nudge bars). However you dont have the moustache badge which the F has??? very strange,  :roll:

My 500 whcih im restoring (if i ever get round to it) and is in bits is a 72" F

Chris

[richard]

i will have a look at the starter motor position, tomorrow , im not very mechnically minded

so i will have to find the bell housing in manual ..

then tell you the position of it ....

further more, i put the front overrider bar on the car and the front badge...

i definately know it isnt a fiat 500l . as i dont have a petrol gauge i just have a light... and my cars hasnt ehf ixings for the front or rear overrider bars ... thats why i sold the rear ones on ebay ...


i will get in touch when i know a little more

all the best

richard

[richard]

furthermore ... ive got a fair amount of paperwork with the car, and i cant see too much been done to it,  also a close friend told me it was a fiat 500d .. but very late model, and he looked over it and said id brought a good car ..

all i can safely say is that it is originally meant to have been white

but its been :  green, yellow, (white again) and now orange  ...

im looking at the paperwork i have now .. and nowwhere does it mention a engine and gearbox change ? ....

i have a chassis number of : 110f 3083749  ( in 1993)

and in 1994 a engine number of 3409127

  where would i find the engine number please?? or is it the : fiat 126  4479407   one as stamped on engine and what ive taken picture of ? ...

im looking at the most recent log book, and it displays the engine number  3409127 also ....

[Chris Lakin]

My brother back in the 80's stuck a new 126 aircooled engine into his 126 in a couple of hours, he said it was very easy to do, so im assuming someone has just chucked the 126 engine in and sort of forgotten about it. If it was a masisve job it would of been well higlighted.

You car looks lovely, its been kept in good condition becuase o fthe amount of paint that has been applied over the years! a nice buy i rekon!

i still think its an F    

Chris

[f500126]

Richard

These pictures may help you?
and explains where the starter motor position is for the 500 and 126 models.

[richard]

hello ive looked in my car and im stil non the wiser ?

i cannot determine if the starter motor is low or high on the engine ?

also why would a fiat 500 engine be marked ( fiat 126 4479407 ) ?


if i seem thick im sorry,  and would be gratful for any more help and advice

[f500126]

Richard

you have a 126 engine.
Just trying to work out if you have the 126 gearbox as well?
So there should be no problem for a 126 engine tranfer.
This may help you with identification