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Where are all the 500's
« on: January 27, 2015, 08:49:00 PM »
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Re: Where are all the 500's
« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2015, 09:31:34 PM »
Stunning pics, Pete, I like the caravan one and the picture of Emma's 500 best!   8)
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Re: Where are all the 500's
« Reply #2 on: January 28, 2015, 08:36:51 PM »
Thank you both, the picture looks fab with my car and jet in it ;D

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Re: Where are all the 500's
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2015, 04:13:05 PM »
 Some nice photos Pete. My favourites are the ones with the Steyrs  ;)
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Re: Where are all the 500's
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2015, 05:52:45 PM »
As I understand it, that second one, B269 WVG, is (or recently has) been getting an 1800cc Scooby transplant, and the engine that was formerly in it (which is a nicely tweaked a/c with Panda 30 head) is currently sat in my garage, hibernating...  ;)

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Re: Where are all the 500's
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2015, 06:56:01 PM »
The barcheta 595 in the second photo has an 1800cc Subaru engine from the pickup fitted by Zcars, it is on youtube. Zcars cave done a couple of these conversions with 500's.

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Re: Where are all the 500's
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2015, 06:57:26 PM »
 Ha-ha. I was wondering who bought that engine. I had my eyes on it too. When are you planning on fitting it? The CCZero will fly with that engine.

 I think the guy with that Subaru engine Barchetta also has a special little Steyr Puch.
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Re: Where are all the 500's
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2015, 10:40:06 PM »
Got to sell my XJ Sport first - going in for MoT and a new lambda sensor tomorrow, then it's on the market, What Car 'good' valuation less 10% for 126 fans, or any reasonable offer, 2001 Yreg, 3.2 V8, 62868 miles, MoT until end of Feb 2016 (yes, 13 moths' MoT) full cream leather and Seafrost outside, Celtic alloys, all the standard Jaguar goodies, everything works (I think!), cruise, sports seats, stainless steel mesh grille, 6 CD changer, tell all your friends...

Go on, you know you want it  :P

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Re: Where are all the 500's
« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2015, 12:05:50 PM »
Hi Peeps. I own the original moulds for the barchetta 595 originally designed by Peter Stevens (Lotus elan-McLaren F1 designer) and manufactured by the Dove Company in Norfolk. I am lead to believe only 22 original bodies were ever produced from the moulds between 1993 and 1995. All other incarnations were copies from an original body, including the version with opening doors. The original was never designed to have doors.

After a long time gearing up, I am now putting the bodies in production. A road legal vehicle can easily be built using parts from any 126 beyond economical repair as new floorpans and subframes are readily available online.

The new, full body includes all panels, moulded dash, x2 bucket seats, full floorpan with built in front and rear bulkheads and sides (all one piece) and outer shell that mates directly to the lower pan. The lower pan in turn, mates to an existing or new fiat 126 steel floorpan and bolt on subframes.  Lights are standard Fiat 500. Light Kits cost  (front-rear lights and loom) available online for £169.00 (OEM). LED options are also out there.

The reason for its early demise in the 90s was due to the expense of producing full bodies from such a complex mould (21 individual pieces) and the cost of materials in those days. I understand it cost £3000+ for the body then.  In todays money with inflation that is £5418.60 using an online inflation calculator.

With modern technology and more widely available composites, I can produce these bodies  for £2595.00 all in for a whole shell and panels. All you need is the donor, lights and trimming of seats and interior. These bodies are the best GRP bodies I have ever seen come out of a mould. The Dove company certainly knew their stuff! www.595s.org
I will post some images of a the first untrimmed body produced since 1995! (YES! UNTRIMMED!!!!! :o) as soon as I've worked out how to do it!   ;) ;)
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Re: Where are all the 500's
« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2015, 12:31:55 PM »
FULL Barchetta 595 body (minus one seat cos its still being made! lol).
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Re: Where are all the 500's
« Reply #10 on: February 06, 2015, 01:57:33 PM »
What wonderful news Mark :D. I would certainly love a 595 abarth :D.
My 1991/2 Fiat 126 BIS Restoration: http://club126uk.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=8559.90

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Re: Where are all the 500's
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2015, 03:28:47 PM »
Hi Poxxxy! Thank you for your reply and Email. You've asked some interesting questions so I will try to answer them here. To build the car, there are 4 options.

First option is to source a 126 that's beyond economical repair (I.e, Major rot but running engine), Cut away the body and leave only the floor pan and arches as a rolling chassis. Replace and reinforce the floor pan where necessary (replacement floor pans are available on ebay for around £180 and steel arches are available from specialists on the net at very good prices). retain all running gear, wiring loom, steering geometry etc to transplant into the new shell. Add an OEM fiat 500 lighting pack and a trim of your choice.
Mate the floor pan to the underside of the new shell (fits like a glove) and fit the vehicle out. Roll over hoops would add extra strength. This will then retain the registration of the donor car. Registration with DVLA would only be to inform them the vehicle is a rebodied fiat 126 and is called a Barchetta 595. DVLA will update the log book and job done.

Second option is to have a bespoke chassis made out of box or tubular aluminium or steel. (MK engineering in yorkshire (Martin Keenan is the man to talk to as I have been liaising with him regarding this and the possibility of other donor cars like the smart fortwo-he is already familiar with the body but only a copy version without the lower tub). 
Transpant the entire running gear to the new chassis and body (if you have the logbook from the donor you plan to transplant from, after an IVA test, it would be issued an age related plate. Not a Q Plate.

Option three is to build one with a new chassis and all new parts (a reconditioned engine will be allowed) and this will be registered as a new vehicle and a current year registration. A donor wiring loom can be used along with the original clocks as long as they are zeroed.

The last option is as option 3 but with any engine that will fit and what ever running gear that would suit your needs. Registration is in the same way - IVA etc.

Cars to consider as donors are:

Smart fortwo as the layout of the floorpan lends to this and there is only 27mm of difference in the wheelbase. This can easily be rectified by altering the two front wishbones to bring the front wheels in by 27mm.

A fiat seicento with the engine moved to the back and all other running gear etc.

I am also toying with building an electric version on a new chassis using a G Wiz as the donor. It will also be fitted with a 50cc range extender (engine mated to a 48v DC charging unit and controller).
When the batteries run low, the engine kicks in and give 3.1kw of direct to motor power and will charge the batteries when stationary. Great if you cant plug it in anywhere or want it to charge itself outside the pub or supermarket. This works better than mains charging because DC to DC charging at high voltage is far better than trickling of the mains. That's ok when your at home but not when your out and about.  The range extender also add 40%+ extra life to the batteries as the engine will kick in and out with little top ups as you drive preventing low battery discharge.

A picture of a cut down 126 is at the bottom of my web page www.595s.org

I hope this information helps.  ;D

Mark....



 
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Re: Where are all the 500's
« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2015, 04:15:49 PM »
Just a thought Poxxy..... What about a BMW boxer motorbike engine with the shaft drive mounted to a quaife Diff and new drive shafts to the wheels? Possible option? Its a compact and very low engine so would fit the engine bay with loads of room to spare! Im no expert though. It was just a thought...... :-
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Re: Where are all the 500's
« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2015, 02:54:52 PM »
Isn't this considered as modifying the original "monocoque" chassis though and therefore would not pass an IVA test? And then fall under a radically altered vehicle and then require a "normal IVA" and end up being registered on a Q plate.

This is the part that trips me up when i'm reading about such conversions... :).
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Re: Where are all the 500's
« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2015, 09:45:12 AM »
Hi Poxxxy. An IVA test only exists to make sure a car is road worthy. A car will only end up on a Q plate if... 1. DVLA can not identify a vehicle that was used as a donor or multiple vehicles Ie. If a car had sierra brakes, granada engine, fiat gearbox, vauxhall steering rack and BMW wheels etc. If all the afore mentioned parts were second hand, then it would end up on a Q plate.

2. If the Identification of the donor vehicle is questionable. (Unlikely). The only way this would happen is if you bought a stolen/recovered vehicle from a salvage dealer and the vehicles identity had been removed. this is why you sometimes see normal manufactured cars on a Q plate. Because its unidentifiable and is issued with a new chassis number.

If you use ALL of the donor mechanical's (I use that term loosely), and produce a log book for the vehicle lets say its a 1982) and the original vehicle was an X reg, DVLA would dissolve the original donor registration and issue a brand new X registration for the car. (age related plate).

If you use a donor floorpan aswell, this is classed as rebodied and will retain the original registration but you can re name the vehicle on the log book.

If you use all new parts and a recon engine with reciepts, it will be registered as new.

My brother works for DVLA. Has done for 22 years. He knows better than anyone. I made sure I knew crystal clear before I posted the info.  ;D

I hope this helps. A simple google images for barchetta 595 will show you NONE of them were EVER issued a Q plate.

You have been on my website and my number is listed there. Please feel free to call me if I can help clarify any points. www.595s.org

Marky.  ;)
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